So about Arkham Knight... (spoilers)

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I just beat the Knight and I wasn't surprised.... at all. Was anyone else actually surprised at it? I mean even if you haven't read any of the comics or seen the animated movie, it hints it quite a bit.


 
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I had it spoiled for me. Definitely disappointing. I was hoping for an original villain that could take off the way Harley Quinn did in TAS or the way they reinvented Mr. Freeze. Plus the way they blatantly said the Arkham Knight was and original character and the Joker is absolutely dead and gone.


 
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For me, it was so expected that I didn't expect it. I was ultimately let down by this game in general.

"Arkham Knight is a completely new and original character."
Arkham Knight ends up being the least original character they could have used, Jason Todd.

"The Joker is absolutely dead. He's not coming back whatsoever. We want the focus to be Scarecrow and Arkham Knight."
The game focuses primarily on the dynamic between the Joker and Batman - again - thanks to Scarecrow's toxin. Arkham Knight ends up being a whiny kid tormented by Joker.

Arkham Knight's motives aren't explained at all. For some reason, the helmet changes to red when unmasked - arbitrarily. Todd goes from only wanting Batman dead to saving his fucking life - within a half an hour. Hush was BUTCHERED with a quick time event, after having such an awesome appearance in City. There are FOUR combat/predator maps, all of which you play in the story. You cannot choose to play as any character from the previous games (Nightwing, Robin, Catwoman). Nightwing is only playable on a Dual Play combat map, Robin and Catwoman are completely absent, and Azrael (who is fun as HELL, admittedly) is on one combat map and that's it.

Battle mode is fun but overused. There are 4 Battlemode challenge maps that don't really do anything interested. Riddler races are fun but are so wat it's ridiculous.

Ugh. I can't even explain how upset I am at the game in general. It's still fun, and the first two acts are SICK. But this unorganised rant is over for now until I 100% the game.


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Oh, hey.
I can't wait to see what happens when you get 100%

Please don't spoil, I know it has to do with Azrael but I want to see for myself.

Also, brilliant ending. I loved it. Not so much the Arkham Knight reveal, it was a shock or plot twist, but the scarecrow ending was great.
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I can't wait to see what happens when you get 100%

Please don't spoil, I know it has to do with Azrael but I want to see for myself.

Also, brilliant ending. I loved it. Not so much the Arkham Knight reveal, it was a shock or plot twist, but the scarecrow ending was great.
The ending is the same as the other, with a little extra added. Did you activate Knightfall Protocol? Also, it may have to do with Azrael, but unless I'm missing something, it confirms nothing. Come back here when you're done and you'll know what I mean. You'll have more questions, and no answers lol.


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Oh, hey.
I can't wait to see what happens when you get 100%

Please don't spoil, I know it has to do with Azrael but I want to see for myself.

Also, brilliant ending. I loved it. Not so much the Arkham Knight reveal, it was a shock or plot twist, but the scarecrow ending was great.
The ending is the same as the other, with a little extra added. Did you activate Knightfall Protocol? Also, it may have to do with Azrael, but unless I'm missing something, it confirms nothing. Come back here when you're done and you'll know what I mean. You'll have more questions, and no answers lol.

About to activate Knightfall, I'll probably do it tommorow. I'll comment in this thread after


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Okay, there's Knightfall then Full Knightfall. You need 100% for Full Knightfall, so good luck lol.


 
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Please don't spoil, I know it has to do with Azrael but I want to see for myself.

Has nothing to do with Azrael. Don't let the ignorant drones of the Arkham games tell you differently.


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Please don't spoil, I know it has to do with Azrael but I want to see for myself.

Has nothing to do with Azrael. Don't let the ignorant drones of the Arkham games tell you differently.
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Some say that's Azrael at the end of the Full Knighfall ending


 
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Has nothing to do with Azrael. Don't let the ignorant drones of the Arkham games tell you differently.
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Some say that's Azrael at the end of the Full Knighfall ending

I know, that's why I said what I said. Those people are wrong.

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First off, Azrael's fate is completely left up to player choice, and regardless of that choice, we know his story regarding the Batman is ended. Secondly, people claiming that Bruce Wayne killed himself in the explosion are forgetting that Bruce would never put Alfred in harm's way. They both got out alive, and Batman "killed" Bruce Wayne and used the fear toxin to create what we see at the end of the game.

That's why I dismiss people who say Azrael has anything to do with the ending.


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Has nothing to do with Azrael. Don't let the ignorant drones of the Arkham games tell you differently.
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Some say that's Azrael at the end of the Full Knighfall ending

I know, that's why I said what I said. Those people are wrong.

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First off, Azrael's fate is completely left up to player choice, and regardless of that choice, we know his story regarding the Batman is ended. Secondly, people claiming that Bruce Wayne killed himself in the explosion are forgetting that Bruce would never put Alfred in harm's way. They both got out alive, and Batman "killed" Bruce Wayne and used the fear toxin to create what we see at the end of the game.

That's why I dismiss people who say Azrael has anything to do with the ending.
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I didn't think he was Azrael. I also know Bruce wouldn't kill himself or anyone else, let alone Alfred. That's just stupid. He faked his death, like he has before in other media. But I was still confused on that thing at the end. You're saying, Bruce, is using fear toxin to make people see a scary look Batman? I kinda figured it was someone else. I figured Bruce was done being Batman. Even if he isn't out and about doing. He still is Batman, if he's sending fear toxin around.


 
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I didn't think he was Azrael. I also know Bruce wouldn't kill himself or anyone else, let alone Alfred. That's just stupid. He faked his death, like he has before in other media. But I was still confused on that thing at the end. You're saying, Bruce, is using fear toxin to make people see a scary look Batman? I kinda figured it was someone else. I figured Bruce was done being Batman. Even if he isn't out and about doing. He still is Batman, if he's sending fear toxin around.

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I do believe that that is what we are made to believe. The game never leads us to believe anyone would be "ready" to take up the mantle (by Batman's standards) and when Bruce Wayne stops being a separate entity from Batman, the only way "to protect them (Gotham's citizens)" is to "kill" Bruce Wayne. The fear toxin is used to make Batman more mythological. Even one of the thugs says "Batman's lost all his... mystique. This whole Bruce Wayne thing ruins it for me." The criminals aren't afraid of Batman because, now, he's a man. The fear toxin makes him look like something more, especially since everyone "knows" Bruce Wayne is dead.

While the ending was certainly left ambiguous for a reason, there's really no evidence for it being anyone else.


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Now that I've started playing the game, I actually like the way Joker is put into the game.


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I didn't think he was Azrael. I also know Bruce wouldn't kill himself or anyone else, let alone Alfred. That's just stupid. He faked his death, like he has before in other media. But I was still confused on that thing at the end. You're saying, Bruce, is using fear toxin to make people see a scary look Batman? I kinda figured it was someone else. I figured Bruce was done being Batman. Even if he isn't out and about doing. He still is Batman, if he's sending fear toxin around.

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I do believe that that is what we are made to believe. The game never leads us to believe anyone would be "ready" to take up the mantle (by Batman's standards) and when Bruce Wayne stops being a separate entity from Batman, the only way "to protect them (Gotham's citizens)" is to "kill" Bruce Wayne. The fear toxin is used to make Batman more mythological. Even one of the thugs says "Batman's lost all his... mystique. This whole Bruce Wayne thing ruins it for me." The criminals aren't afraid of Batman because, now, he's a man. The fear toxin makes him look like something more, especially since everyone "knows" Bruce Wayne is dead.

While the ending was certainly left ambiguous for a reason, there's really no evidence for it being anyone else.
I see.


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I kind of had an idea of who it was, given his intense hatred of Batman

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(and since I know about Jason Todd/Red Hood anyways.)

I'm not disappointed, but it's kind of...meh.  I was still expecting a surprising new character, but oh well.  The Arkham Knight suit is pretty sick though, I hope Rocksteady makes it a skin later on.


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For me, it was so expected that I didn't expect it. I was ultimately let down by this game in general.

"Arkham Knight is a completely new and original character."
Arkham Knight ends up being the least original character they could have used, Jason Todd.

"The Joker is absolutely dead. He's not coming back whatsoever. We want the focus to be Scarecrow and Arkham Knight."
The game focuses primarily on the dynamic between the Joker and Batman - again - thanks to Scarecrow's toxin. Arkham Knight ends up being a whiny kid tormented by Joker.

Arkham Knight's motives aren't explained at all. For some reason, the helmet changes to red when unmasked - arbitrarily. Todd goes from only wanting Batman dead to saving his fucking life - within a half an hour. Hush was BUTCHERED with a quick time event, after having such an awesome appearance in City. There are FOUR combat/predator maps, all of which you play in the story. You cannot choose to play as any character from the previous games (Nightwing, Robin, Catwoman). Nightwing is only playable on a Dual Play combat map, Robin and Catwoman are completely absent, and Azrael (who is fun as HELL, admittedly) is on one combat map and that's it.

Battle mode is fun but overused. There are 4 Battlemode challenge maps that don't really do anything interested. Riddler races are fun but are so wat it's ridiculous.

Ugh. I can't even explain how upset I am at the game in general. It's still fun, and the first two acts are SICK. But this unorganised rant is over for now until I 100% the game.
I haven't played it, but I don't understand why they didn't just make it a red hood game...
They could have easily still just made him the villain and have him change sides at the end

Or if they REALLY wanted the "Arkham Knight" they could have just made it some new character who idolized batman, or even somebody who's family had been killed by the joker or something (maybe they worked at Arkham asylum?) and blamed batman for it and thought he could be a better batman.

I just don't understand


 
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For me, it was so expected that I didn't expect it. I was ultimately let down by this game in general.

"Arkham Knight is a completely new and original character."
Arkham Knight ends up being the least original character they could have used, Jason Todd.

"The Joker is absolutely dead. He's not coming back whatsoever. We want the focus to be Scarecrow and Arkham Knight."
The game focuses primarily on the dynamic between the Joker and Batman - again - thanks to Scarecrow's toxin. Arkham Knight ends up being a whiny kid tormented by Joker.

Arkham Knight's motives aren't explained at all. For some reason, the helmet changes to red when unmasked - arbitrarily. Todd goes from only wanting Batman dead to saving his fucking life - within a half an hour. Hush was BUTCHERED with a quick time event, after having such an awesome appearance in City. There are FOUR combat/predator maps, all of which you play in the story. You cannot choose to play as any character from the previous games (Nightwing, Robin, Catwoman). Nightwing is only playable on a Dual Play combat map, Robin and Catwoman are completely absent, and Azrael (who is fun as HELL, admittedly) is on one combat map and that's it.

Battle mode is fun but overused. There are 4 Battlemode challenge maps that don't really do anything interested. Riddler races are fun but are so wat it's ridiculous.

Ugh. I can't even explain how upset I am at the game in general. It's still fun, and the first two acts are SICK. But this unorganised rant is over for now until I 100% the game.
I haven't played it, but I don't understand why they didn't just make it a red hood game...
They could have easily still just made him the villain and have him change sides at the end

Or if they REALLY wanted the "Arkham Knight" they could have just made it some new character who idolized batman, or even somebody who's family had been killed by the joker or something (maybe they worked at Arkham asylum?) and blamed batman for it and thought he could be a better batman.

I just don't understand

I mean, don't get me wrong. I like Red Hood as much as the next guy. The problem is, Rocksteady LIED to us and said he was an all-original character.

It's so disappointing because prior to the foreshadowing of his true identity, the Arkham Knight is such a sick character. He's gotten the jump on Batman multiple times, he LOOKS badass, and his voice is sick.

And I've said it before, literally anybody other than Jason Todd would have been a better reveal.


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Has nothing to do with Azrael. Don't let the ignorant drones of the Arkham games tell you differently.
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Some say that's Azrael at the end of the Full Knighfall ending

I know, that's why I said what I said. Those people are wrong.

Spoiler
First off, Azrael's fate is completely left up to player choice, and regardless of that choice, we know his story regarding the Batman is ended. Secondly, people claiming that Bruce Wayne killed himself in the explosion are forgetting that Bruce would never put Alfred in harm's way. They both got out alive, and Batman "killed" Bruce Wayne and used the fear toxin to create what we see at the end of the game.

That's why I dismiss people who say Azrael has anything to do with the ending.
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I didn't think he was Azrael. I also know Bruce wouldn't kill himself or anyone else, let alone Alfred. That's just stupid. He faked his death, like he has before in other media. But I was still confused on that thing at the end. You're saying, Bruce, is using fear toxin to make people see a scary look Batman? I kinda figured it was someone else. I figured Bruce was done being Batman. Even if he isn't out and about doing. He still is Batman, if he's sending fear toxin around.
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Forgot to say this. Another reason people think it's Azrael is because it's called Knightfall protocol. And the Knightfall comics are about him. Or at least part of them are.