I can't stress this enough. I mean even ODSTs could get mouthy or ballsy. But not amatuer hour.

Sure is 2012 in here and/or mid January 2015.

But yeah, I agree. Fuck Spartan IVs.

It's intentional. The IVs are arrogant and unpredictable which presents a contrast with the disciplined IIs. Begs the question of which program is more favourable: the morally grey one involving kidnapping kids to produce perfect soldiers or  "safe" method of using adult volunteers so the supersoldiers can be mass produced without ethical concerns, but as a result the soldiers are more unpredictable.

Quote from: Fedorekd on March 09, 2015, 06:44:59 PM

It's intentional. The IVs are arrogant and unpredictable which presents a contrast with the disciplined IIs. Begs the question of which program is more favourable: the morally grey one involving kidnapping kids to produce perfect soldiers or  "safe" method of using adult volunteers so the supersoldiers can be mass produced without ethical concerns, but as a result the soldiers are more unpredictable.

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But it doesn't make any sense that they'd be unpredictable because most of the IV's are the best of the best, volunteers from UNSC. ODSTs, Army and so on. We aren't talking arrogant people here.

We're talking about the best standard, un-augmented human soldiers around. They didn't just go through random rookies and go, "here have some augs lol."

They went through professionals, soldiers who were already at their physical peak, the best they could be. I'd wager most Spartan IV's are veterans because any particular soldier in the UNSC who showed any special qualities or skill was a veteran. That means they've gone through the war, survived it, and not only that, but encountered or heard the stories of the Spartan IIs.

For any one of them to suddenly become so arrogant and borderline stupid just because they've received augments boosting them past what they used to be as soldiers just seems silly, considering the background of most Spartan IVs.

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Quote from: Fedorekd on March 09, 2015, 06:44:59 PM

It's intentional. The IVs are arrogant and unpredictable which presents a contrast with the disciplined IIs. Begs the question of which program is more favourable: the morally grey one involving kidnapping kids to produce perfect soldiers or  "safe" method of using adult volunteers so the supersoldiers can be mass produced without ethical concerns, but as a result the soldiers are more unpredictable.

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But it doesn't make any sense that they'd be unpredictable because most of the IV's are the best of the best, volunteers from UNSC. ODSTs, Army and so on. We aren't talking arrogant people here.

We're talking about the best standard, un-augmented human soldiers around. They didn't just go through random rookies and go, "here have some augs lol."

They went through professionals, soldiers who were already at their physical peak, the best they could be. I'd wager most Spartan IV's are veterans because any particular soldier in the UNSC who showed any special qualities or skill was a veteran. That means they've gone through the war, survived it, and not only that, but encountered or heard the stories of the Spartan IIs.

For any one of them to suddenly become so arrogant and borderline stupid just because they've received augments boosting them past what they used to be as soldiers just seems silly, considering the background of most Spartan IVs.

Except that it never affects missions. Any time they are shown on-mission; SpOps, Escalation, Spartan Assault, New Blood, Initiation, they don't have the arrogance and joining attitude they have off mission. When in combat, they're just as professional as any other soldier in the UNSC.

It's the equivalent of post game banter in a lobby on multiplayer, when everyone takes the piss out of ech other before gets more serious when te game starts.

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People are also forgetting that we have IVs like Thorne and Ray who are there to represent what the Spartan-IV program should be as opposed to what it is.

tbh I gave up on the Halo lore after 4. Not that I'm one of those melodramatic "HALOL 4 NOT MUH HALO" type of spergs, I just don't find 343's ideas that engaging. There's just something about it that's too...artificial and clean and lacks the gritty touch of Bungie.

I actually kind of understand what you mean.

Quote from: Fedorekd on March 10, 2015, 10:28:16 AM

People are also forgetting that we have IVs like Thorne and Ray who are there to represent what the Spartan-IV program should be as opposed to what it is.

So, the Spartan IV program should consist entirely of Spartan-shaped pieces of cardboard?

Yes.