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Story focused. I'm no multiplayer expert

The game's story is undoubtedly a mess but I think there were some things (emphasis on some) people critisise that IMO aren't that warranted.

so go on shoot


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I stopped caring about Halo 5 a few weeks past launch...


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I stopped caring about Halo 5 a few weeks past launch...

isn't this like the trillionth time you've posted that exact same thing?

Why post ITT if you're not going to give actual input? serious question. It's not even stopping by to insult me like Verb or Lemon, just something that's been said a thousand other times in a thousand other Halo 5 threads. Feel free to ignore this if you want. Just kind of a rant.
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Cortana complaining about living under the threat of death when
A: Everyone lives under
B: She potentially killed millions (then got offended when John asked what that number was)


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Nothing built up by the Forerunner Saga, Halo 4 or Escalation is followed up on.
Didact is sidelined.
The Warden Eternal is a dreadful character.
Cortana's behaviour is completely out-of-character, and we know that she isn't rampant.
Blue Team and Osiris don't contribute much to the story, Blue Team especially.
John and Locke have barely any interaction. There's nothing personal at stake between them like what was suggested in the game's marketing. Their confrontation is way too early in the story and amounts to two drunks having a brawl because Locke told Chief he was going to do what Chief was doing???? Osiris do nothing during the fight.
Osiris need to find a Constructor that will activate a Guardian that was going to activate anyway?????
Cortana kills millions if not billions of innocent people and we're expected to understand and empathise with her motives?


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>cortana complains about ai's being slaves while using an army of humans turned into ai slaves


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>jul mdama replaced with sali fucking nyon
>the covenant was brought back in a comic less than a month later essentially making sure the status quo hasn't changed at all


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It's been a while, but off the top of my head:

-Generic 'scary AI' plot
-Ads that essentially lied about the scope and story
-Weird gun sound effects that make them sound like airsoft guns (carrying over from Halo 4)
-Req system (skins aren't content)
-The game is basically just a vehicle for exposition; the actions of Blue Team and Osiris are completely inconsequential; nothing is accomplished
-Ignores new characters established in 4 for an entirely new cast, and does nothing with any of them

It's just a dumb, empty game.


 
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I'm just upset they changed the Rocket Launcher to that ugly green bazooka, only to re-add the original back in recently. Or something like that. That's the info Tru's been feeding me.


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Forerunners will probably get a huge nerf because there are like what, 3000 Guardians that need to be defeated


 
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Cortana complaining about living under the threat of death when
A: Everyone lives under
B: She potentially killed millions (then got offended when John asked what that number was)

That's actually a very good point that I hadn't actually thought of or seen anybody else address for that matter. I guess the point of it was more about the guaranteed unpleasant death at either the hands of rampancy or termination. As for b, I guess that has to do with Cortana seeing what she's doing as part of the grater good and the big picture, but when it comes down to it you are correct. her whole argument starts to fall apart rather easily, and even comes of as hypocritical.
It's also interesting how the one AI to not only manually disable her own termination code is the one making this statement.


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Forerunners will probably get a huge nerf because there are like what, 3000 Guardians that need to be defeated
Mass Effect 3 ending confirmed.


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campaign level design is underwhelming and forgettable. no cool big set-pieces or sandbox areas.
co-operative ai is awful and seems like more of an afterthought than a core part of the campaign


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>jul mdama replaced with sali fucking nyon
>the covenant was brought back in a comic less than a month later essentially making sure the status quo hasn't changed at all

The escalation stuff is before Halo 5 though.

It's been a while, but off the top of my head:

-Generic 'scary AI' plot
-Ads that essentially lied about the scope and story
-Weird gun sound effects that make them sound like airsoft guns (carrying over from Halo 4)
-Req system (skins aren't content)
-The game is basically just a vehicle for exposition; the actions of Blue Team and Osiris are completely inconsequential; nothing is accomplished
-Ignores new characters established in 4 for an entirely new cast, and does nothing with any of them

It's just a dumb, empty game.

1) While I agree that the "AI overlords" crap has been done to death and a half I at least think that cortana will be an interesting antagonist, espesialy when put up against John. And i'm sure this segwaying into somthing else since the Didact is alive and we still have alot of floathing plot threads that could play into whats going on.

2, 4)No argument here

6) Thorne was going to be in the position of Buck but they cut him due to scheduling issues with the VA. He would have made an interesting character in the story as we know he looks up to the Spartan 2s and even Hasley it seems.


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I actually like the campaign from a gameplay standpoint

But things like Cortana being upset that AI are enslaved, then using an army of enslaved Humans from Ancient Humanity, New Phoenix and Ivanoff station is fucking retarded


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campaign level design is underwhelming and forgettable. no cool big set-pieces or sandbox areas.
co-operative ai is awful and seems like more of an afterthought than a core part of the campaign

The level design from a game play perspective was OK, Even the overused Wardens wernt actualy bad gameplaywise other than the obvious repetitive nature. but yeah just like Halo 4 the set peices were underwhelming at best. The Guardians were completely uninvolved and even the Kraken mostly just sat there.
I think this is probably due to downscaling. Even the Concept art shows some things thaw would have spiced the game up alot more, even the Warden had different forms. I guess they just couldn't do what they wanted with the Shitbox's hardware.

The Co-Op AI is strange, espesialy since they had guys from Republic Commando working on the game. They're not that usefully, not even as bullet sponges or distractions because they die as easily as you do, and their weapon usage is strange. Sometimes they will outright refuse to pick up certain weapons.


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https://haruspis.wordpress.com/2016/04/03/halo-5-level-by-level-analysis-osiris/#more-5390

Read all of these ^ and then try to defend

Ive actually been meaning to read through this so thanks for linking it.


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https://haruspis.wordpress.com/2016/04/03/halo-5-level-by-level-analysis-osiris/#more-5390

Read all of these ^ and then try to defend

Ive actually been meaning to read through this so thanks for linking it.

He finished it yesterday so it's good for a binge read.


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https://haruspis.wordpress.com/2016/04/03/halo-5-level-by-level-analysis-osiris/#more-5390

Read all of these ^ and then try to defend

Ive actually been meaning to read through this so thanks for linking it.

He finished it yesterday so it's good for a binge read.

I have no doubt that it will be a good read. TBH this thread isnt about people like him. I was more inspired to make it because of all of the misunderstandings i'm seing across the more broad Halo community.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fbuhVVjW94

This video for example I think does extreme disservice to what I think were some of Halo 5s few strong points which is John's character development which although it was berry brief was incredibly effective for what is was, especially in comparison to the rest of the story.

The same goes for Cortana where people seem to oversimplify or outright misunderstand her motivations in Halo 5 and see her as just being devolved into a generic evil bad guy who is evil for the sake of it, when that's not the case at all.


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Nothing built up by the Forerunner Saga, Halo 4 or Escalation is followed up on.
Didact is sidelined.
The Warden Eternal is a dreadful character.
Cortana's behaviour is completely out-of-character, and we know that she isn't rampant.
Blue Team and Osiris don't contribute much to the story, Blue Team especially.
John and Locke have barely any interaction. There's nothing personal at stake between them like what was suggested in the game's marketing. Their confrontation is way too early in the story and amounts to two drunks having a brawl because Locke told Chief he was going to do what Chief was doing???? Osiris do nothing during the fight.
Osiris need to find a Constructor that will activate a Guardian that was going to activate anyway?????
Cortana kills millions if not billions of innocent people and we're expected to understand and empathise with her motives?

1) I do believe Halo 5's story is probably leading up to the Precursor's test of humanity for the Mantle, but the fact that there isnt at all any clear or definitive connection to those materials is definitely  terrible storytelling. Even the handling of the domain left us with no answers and more question than anything.

2) Indeed, although Reed has confirmed he's still around which gives some credence to the speculation that he could have a hand in the events of Halo 5

3) Completely disagree there. The Warden is one of the few charachters that actually got fleshed our properly even if he is somewhat of a Didact Jr. His motivations and actions are all clear and make relative sense.

4) Cortana's behavior is strange indeed, although i'd hesitate to say that it's story breaking or anything.  Clearly the Warden has convinced her somehow of this cocept of the Mantle that she is following and that she should in a way re establish a forerunner like empire. We don't actually know enough about the exchange between them that lead to this to say Cortana is out of her mind or anything.

5) Agree with the next few points although Chief fighting Locke was John sort of snapping at the possibility of someone coming between him and finding Cortana. He was thinking more emotionally than rationally at the time. And I honestly don't agree with the criticism of the fight scene itself. Neither of them really intended on killing the other and I'm personally not sure how else the combat choreography would have played out on that small platform especially not including all of the armor abilities and what not.. Everything else though, I totally agree with.

6) I doubt anyone felt like waiting for an outside force to trigger the Guardians activation at god konws what point in the future

7) Good thing you at least understand what  it was 343 was trying to do with that. I think the whole "Means to an end/ greater good" concept is worthy of its own discussion.  But I do want to leave the though that what she's doing isnt anything new, The forerunners created the Halo array and killed everyone in the galaxy to sercure a better future. ONI for years have been abandoning people to die in the billions in order to protect humanity as a spesies. They even wanted to wipe out the Sangheli. The Spartan program was on a far smaller scale but hundereds of children died as pawns for the war.  I wont make any attempt to say these were either right or wrong but with a history like that it's hard to say what Cortana is doing might not seem that unprecedented.
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I stopped caring about Halo 5 a few weeks past launch...

isn't this like the trillionth time you've posted that exact same thing?

Why post ITT if you're not going to give actual input? serious question. It's not even stopping by to insult me like Verb or Lemon, just something that's been said a thousand other times in a thousand other Halo 5 threads. Feel free to ignore this if you want. Just kind of a rant.
"Post Halo 5 criticism"
- Kinda was my criticism, that it's too late & that I have stopped caring.


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It just felt like a campaign that cut a lot of corners.  It seemed like it had an idea worth exploring, and was hyped up like crazy in the ads, but was super anticlimactic.  The whole story felt like a bunch of missed opportunities, where characters could have been really valuable, but were rather just a bunch of set-pieces progressing through a series of chores without question or emotion.

On top of that, and this is just a personal gripe, I'm not a huge fan of how much more in-your-face the whole "chosen hero of the entire universe" tone is.  I liked being a military badass, where people were like "holy shit...a Mark V", rather than "OMG ITS SPACE JESUS, THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN SAVE US".


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-The story direction is dumb (why kill off a character only to bring them back 2 cutscenes later?)
-Severe discrepancy between campaign trailers and actual story
-Vehicles are still cannon fodder for small arms weapons (not to the same extent as Reach and 4, but still pretty bad)
-DMR cert is literally the equivalent of Reach Warrant Officer in terms of grinding time
>Dynamic Spawns


 
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Pharah is dead
Pharah is written better than anything 343 has ever written/will write