Pokemon question

SecondClass · January 08, 2015, 05:25:58 PM

What do I do when my Pokemon's base attack "can't go any higher"? I have a level 21 Absol with only 83 attack that I've been super training, using Proteins on, only battling Solrocks, etc. Now I can't super train it or use protein on it anymore. How do I fix this?

I'm a total noob when it comes to advanced Pokemon shit like EVs and such, so forgive me if this is a dumb question.

Verbatim · January 08, 2015, 05:26:47 PM

Ya maxed it out. Just give it a bunch of Rare Candies and it'll skyrocket.

Tyger · January 08, 2015, 05:27:07 PM

You level that motherfucker up and it's attack will rise even more

Verbatim · January 08, 2015, 05:27:48 PM

A common misconception about Rare Candies is that they're always bad, because they don't give your 'mons EVs.

But, if your desired stats are already maxed out in EVs, it doesn't matter.

83 is INSANELY high for a level 21 'mon.

SecondClass · January 08, 2015, 05:28:32 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on January 08, 2015, 05:26:47 PM

Ya maxed it out. Just give it a bunch of Rare Candies and it'll skyrocket.

Oh, so does it even matter what EVs I get now? Should I keep trying to get attack EVs, or can I just battle any Pokemon now?

Verbatim · January 08, 2015, 05:30:13 PM

You have as many attack EVs as your 'mon can get, so you should focus on something else now. I recommend speed. Once you max out speed, you're basically all set. You won't even be able to EV train in anything else.

(Actually, you'll just have a little tiny bit left over, but only a negligible amount. If you max out your EVs, though, I believe you get a ribbon. So, there's that.)

Tyger · January 08, 2015, 05:31:17 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on January 08, 2015, 05:28:32 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on January 08, 2015, 05:26:47 PM
Ya maxed it out. Just give it a bunch of Rare Candies and it'll skyrocket.
Oh, so does it even matter what EVs I get now? Should I keep trying to get attack EVs, or can I just battle any Pokemon now?

you can max out a second stat as well (max out speed for absol) and then you have 4 EVs left over do to whatever with

Edit: verb ninja'd me

SecondClass · January 08, 2015, 05:32:16 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on January 08, 2015, 05:30:13 PM

You have as many attack EVs as your 'mon can get, so you should focus on something else now. I recommend speed. Once you max out speed, you're basically all set.

So any attack EVs I get once my base attack is maxed out don't contribute to the attack stat?

Again, sorry if I sound really dumb, lol.

Verbatim · January 08, 2015, 05:32:58 PM

Yeah, they won't even factor in at all.

SecondClass · January 08, 2015, 05:35:27 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on January 08, 2015, 05:32:58 PM

Yeah, they won't even factor in at all.

Ah, I see. Thanks for all the help, man. I'm definitely going to max out speed now. Absol is my absolute favorite Pokemon ever, so I'm glad I'm actually making a competitively good one.

Azumarill · January 08, 2015, 05:42:55 PM

TIL verby knows his pokemon

月 · January 08, 2015, 05:51:33 PM

Quote from: Azumarill on January 08, 2015, 05:42:55 PM

TIL verby knows his pokemon

I'm surprised myself.

Azumarill · January 08, 2015, 05:58:58 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on January 08, 2015, 05:35:27 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on January 08, 2015, 05:32:58 PM
Yeah, they won't even factor in at all.
Ah, I see. Thanks for all the help, man. I'm definitely going to max out speed now. Absol is my absolute favorite Pokemon ever, so I'm glad I'm actually making a competitively good one.

i thought absol/dark types in general suffered from a lack of viable physical dark moves? i suppose you could run a non-STAB set but idk it seems kinda disingenuous

🍁 Aria 🔮 · January 08, 2015, 06:04:08 PM

I'm still trying to decide if I'm going to bother making a competitive team in AS or not. All I'll end up doing is sweeping the E4 harder than I already do.

Verbatim · January 08, 2015, 06:05:13 PM

Quote from: Prime Meridia on January 08, 2015, 06:04:08 PM

I'm still trying to decide if I'm going to bother making a competitive team in AS or not. All I'll end up doing is sweeping the E4 harder than I already do.

do it, that would be sweet
and add me so i can destroy you

🍁 Aria 🔮 · January 08, 2015, 06:06:23 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on January 08, 2015, 06:05:13 PM

Quote from: Prime Meridia on January 08, 2015, 06:04:08 PM
I'm still trying to decide if I'm going to bother making a competitive team in AS or not. All I'll end up doing is sweeping the E4 harder than I already do.
do it, that would be sweet
and add me so i can destroy you

Pls Verb, I'm still on my way to the fourth gym.

Verbatim · January 08, 2015, 06:09:09 PM

oh, i thought you said you had the E4 beat

i actually just made it to the seventh gym; haven't played in a couple weeks

Azumarill · January 08, 2015, 06:12:30 PM

do they have any plans to actually add the battle frontier to ORAS at some point? it's really disappointing that they left it out, considering how awesome ORAS is otherwise

DAS B00T x2 · January 08, 2015, 06:13:46 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on January 08, 2015, 05:27:48 PM

A common misconception about Rare Candies is that they're always bad, because they don't give your 'mons EVs.

Didn't they change it so candies factor in EV's on level up in gen iv or v?

Verbatim · January 08, 2015, 06:15:39 PM

Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on January 08, 2015, 06:13:46 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on January 08, 2015, 05:27:48 PM
A common misconception about Rare Candies is that they're always bad, because they don't give your 'mons EVs.
Didn't they change it so candies factor in EV's on level up in gen iv or v?

umm, no, i don't think so

SecondClass · January 08, 2015, 06:23:28 PM

Quote from: Azumarill on January 08, 2015, 05:58:58 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on January 08, 2015, 05:35:27 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on January 08, 2015, 05:32:58 PM
Yeah, they won't even factor in at all.
Ah, I see. Thanks for all the help, man. I'm definitely going to max out speed now. Absol is my absolute favorite Pokemon ever, so I'm glad I'm actually making a competitively good one.
i thought absol/dark types in general suffered from a lack of viable physical dark moves? i suppose you could run a non-STAB set but idk it seems kinda disingenuous

In the original games, the best physical dark-type move Absol could learn was bite. Which was pretty terrible. But in ORAS, Absol can learn Night Slash and Crunch, so it's a much better situation.

Verbatim · January 08, 2015, 06:23:58 PM

Quote from: Azumarill on January 08, 2015, 05:58:58 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on January 08, 2015, 05:35:27 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on January 08, 2015, 05:32:58 PM
Yeah, they won't even factor in at all.
Ah, I see. Thanks for all the help, man. I'm definitely going to max out speed now. Absol is my absolute favorite Pokemon ever, so I'm glad I'm actually making a competitively good one.
i thought absol/dark types in general suffered from a lack of viable physical dark moves? i suppose you could run a non-STAB set but idk it seems kinda disingenuous

Sucker Punch & Knock Off, yo.

Not to mention, Mega Absol is a thing, with its decent 105 special attack.

Azumarill · January 08, 2015, 06:25:00 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on January 08, 2015, 06:23:58 PM

Quote from: Azumarill on January 08, 2015, 05:58:58 PM
Quote from: SecondClass on January 08, 2015, 05:35:27 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on January 08, 2015, 05:32:58 PM
Yeah, they won't even factor in at all.
Ah, I see. Thanks for all the help, man. I'm definitely going to max out speed now. Absol is my absolute favorite Pokemon ever, so I'm glad I'm actually making a competitively good one.
i thought absol/dark types in general suffered from a lack of viable physical dark moves? i suppose you could run a non-STAB set but idk it seems kinda disingenuous
Sucker Punch & Knock Off, yo.

Not to mention, Mega Absol is a thing, with its decent 105 special attack.

ah, so power creep has started to fix some of the problems that have been plaguing dark types since gen 3. that's good to know.

clum clum · January 08, 2015, 06:30:41 PM

Super training, man. You maxed your attack EVs out. I'm so glad they made it easy to EV train.

🍁 Aria 🔮 · January 08, 2015, 06:55:34 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on January 08, 2015, 06:09:09 PM

oh, i thought you said you had the E4 beat

i actually just made it to the seventh gym; haven't played in a couple weeks

I realize there have been a few changes since Gen 3, but I played all three versions so much that I could Nuzlocke them without much difficulty. Given that Gen 6 is the easiest one ever, I have no doubt that I can beat the E4 without breaking a sweat.

Tyger · January 08, 2015, 07:45:09 PM

Quote from: Prime Meridia on January 08, 2015, 06:04:08 PM

I'm still trying to decide if I'm going to bother making a competitive team in AS or not. All I'll end up doing is sweeping the E4 harder than I already do.

If you dont want to breed them yourself I just got an action replay today so If you make a team and trade me the pokemon I can give them perfect IV's. Between iberius, verb, Luis, cheat, mr Psy myself, and many others there's plenty of people to trade and battle with

Verbatim · January 08, 2015, 08:27:18 PM

There's also Showdown. Which I know you don't like, because it's not authentic, but... if you're ever like, "This is a waste of time," it's always a good option...

Luis · January 08, 2015, 08:57:46 PM

Quote from: Tyger on January 08, 2015, 07:45:09 PM

Quote from: Prime Meridia on January 08, 2015, 06:04:08 PM
I'm still trying to decide if I'm going to bother making a competitive team in AS or not. All I'll end up doing is sweeping the E4 harder than I already do.

If you dont want to breed them yourself I just got an action replay today so If you make a team and trade me the pokemon I can give them perfect IV's. Between iberius, verb, Luis, cheat, mr Psy myself, and many others there's plenty of people to trade and battle with

I don't really have much to trade other than 2 dragonairs and 2 fraxures >.>

Azumarill · January 08, 2015, 09:04:59 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on January 08, 2015, 08:27:18 PM

There's also Showdown. Which I know you don't like, because it's not authentic, but... if you're ever like, "This is a waste of time," it's always a good option...

showdown and online are nice. ive known the best showdown player for years.

Tyger · January 09, 2015, 01:15:04 AM

Quote from: Luis (っ◕‿◕)っ on January 08, 2015, 08:57:46 PM

Quote from: Tyger on January 08, 2015, 07:45:09 PM
Quote from: Prime Meridia on January 08, 2015, 06:04:08 PM
I'm still trying to decide if I'm going to bother making a competitive team in AS or not. All I'll end up doing is sweeping the E4 harder than I already do.

If you dont want to breed them yourself I just got an action replay today so If you make a team and trade me the pokemon I can give them perfect IV's. Between iberius, verb, Luis, cheat, mr Psy myself, and many others there's plenty of people to trade and battle with
I don't really have much to trade other than 2 dragonairs and 2 fraxures >.>

I don't mind, I'll take literally anything. My girlfriend and I have completed the pokedex (bar arceus, shaymin, genesect, and manaphy, keldeo and that singing one) so im not really looking for anything