I ain't see no other threads.
Quote from: Mr. Admirals on March 03, 2015, 02:58:16 PMI ain't see no other threads.>in Flood
Quote from: BritishLemön on March 03, 2015, 02:58:49 PMQuote from: Mr. Admirals on March 03, 2015, 02:58:16 PMI ain't see no other threads.>in Floodbic i aint see no thred
Quote from: Mr. Admirals on March 03, 2015, 03:00:19 PMQuote from: BritishLemön on March 03, 2015, 02:58:49 PMQuote from: Mr. Admirals on March 03, 2015, 02:58:16 PMI ain't see no other threads.>in Floodbic i aint see no thredGet rekthttp://sep7agon.net/index.php?topic=30612.0
the book was a poor book imo..
Book was great IMO. Rookie decision served its purpose in the story but nullifies something great about ODST. That being said, pretty much everything else about it was great. Dialogue + character interactions/motivations in particular seem like something Staten himself would've written for ODST. [Though this is from a quick skim]
Quote from: ((go)^ji)^ra on March 03, 2015, 04:51:44 PMBook was great IMO. Rookie decision served its purpose in the story but nullifies something great about ODST. That being said, pretty much everything else about it was great. Dialogue + character interactions/motivations in particular seem like something Staten himself would've written for ODST. [Though this is from a quick skim]What does the Rookie's death take away from ODST?
the one true God is Doctor Doom and we should all be worshiping him.
Quote from: Mr. Admirals on March 03, 2015, 04:54:53 PMQuote from: ((go)^ji)^ra on March 03, 2015, 04:51:44 PMBook was great IMO. Rookie decision served its purpose in the story but nullifies something great about ODST. That being said, pretty much everything else about it was great. Dialogue + character interactions/motivations in particular seem like something Staten himself would've written for ODST. [Though this is from a quick skim]What does the Rookie's death take away from ODST?Player control. The Rookie was meant to be a self insert character, and unlike post Marathon Bungie's other efforts with Chief, Six, and Mr./Ms. Guardian, he was done properly. Instead of being a character himself he was a means of exercising player control within the narrative, a "focal point" if you will. Especially complements ODST's Inferno allegory [something I believe Staten paid attention to given "prepare to drop" and Destiny's main themes]. When you give him a future outside of pure reactionaries you take away the agency of the player and wrap the Rookie up in a sort of narrative determinism. If I were to give you a simpler analogy: Shepard in the control ending to ME3. Ending's are odd, but that's not the point. In the original ending, we just get an instant cutaway. We don't know what happened outside of Shepard gaining control. The path that Shepard takes isn't detailed, so there's no "determined" action that he takes, i.e. anything is possible. Post EC? Shepard is disconnected from player input and goes on some paragon/renegade based galactic tidy up + policing job. Same thing with Rookie over there. I'm not saying it ruins ODST or anything [or even makes it worse in a big way], but that it takes away an interesting part of the narrative from a metaphysical POV. The death serves its purpose in the story and I'm not mad [especially given 343's approach of attempting to contextualize everything, I should've expected this the second Chief's personality was realized].
Quote from: Mr. Admirals on March 03, 2015, 04:54:53 PMQuote from: ((go)^ji)^ra on March 03, 2015, 04:51:44 PMBook was great IMO. Rookie decision served its purpose in the story but nullifies something great about ODST. That being said, pretty much everything else about it was great. Dialogue + character interactions/motivations in particular seem like something Staten himself would've written for ODST. [Though this is from a quick skim]What does the Rookie's death take away from ODST?He worked better as a plot vehicle than as an actual character that does stuff in the story.
Quote from: ((go)^ji)^ra on March 03, 2015, 05:07:32 PMQuote from: Mr. Admirals on March 03, 2015, 04:54:53 PMQuote from: ((go)^ji)^ra on March 03, 2015, 04:51:44 PMBook was great IMO. Rookie decision served its purpose in the story but nullifies something great about ODST. That being said, pretty much everything else about it was great. Dialogue + character interactions/motivations in particular seem like something Staten himself would've written for ODST. [Though this is from a quick skim]What does the Rookie's death take away from ODST?Player control. The Rookie was meant to be a self insert character, and unlike post Marathon Bungie's other efforts with Chief, Six, and Mr./Ms. Guardian, he was done properly. Instead of being a character himself he was a means of exercising player control within the narrative, a "focal point" if you will. Especially complements ODST's Inferno allegory [something I believe Staten paid attention to given "prepare to drop" and Destiny's main themes]. When you give him a future outside of pure reactionaries you take away the agency of the player and wrap the Rookie up in a sort of narrative determinism. If I were to give you a simpler analogy: Shepard in the control ending to ME3. Ending's are odd, but that's not the point. In the original ending, we just get an instant cutaway. We don't know what happened outside of Shepard gaining control. The path that Shepard takes isn't detailed, so there's no "determined" action that he takes, i.e. anything is possible. Post EC? Shepard is disconnected from player input and goes on some paragon/renegade based galactic tidy up + policing job. Same thing with Rookie over there. I'm not saying it ruins ODST or anything [or even makes it worse in a big way], but that it takes away an interesting part of the narrative from a metaphysical POV. The death serves its purpose in the story and I'm not mad [especially given 343's approach of attempting to contextualize everything, I should've expected this the second Chief's personality was realized].343 was the first to characterize the Rookie in Evolutions back in 2009 with the short story Dirt.Of course, Bungie was the one who made him born on Luna.
What? No! How? What happened?
Quote from: ChaosMetalDragon™ on March 03, 2015, 05:23:23 PMWhat? No! How? What happened?He was sent around to flank some Innies, and got captured in the process. He was being held hostage in order to get the rest of Alpha-9 to surrender. Instead, Buck ordered Mickey and Dutch to sneak around and get into position to attack. When he executed the maneuver, Mickey hesitated, and the Rookie was shot in the head as a result.
Quote from: Mr. Admirals on March 03, 2015, 05:24:59 PMQuote from: ChaosMetalDragon™ on March 03, 2015, 05:23:23 PMWhat? No! How? What happened?He was sent around to flank some Innies, and got captured in the process. He was being held hostage in order to get the rest of Alpha-9 to surrender. Instead, Buck ordered Mickey and Dutch to sneak around and get into position to attack. When he executed the maneuver, Mickey hesitated, and the Rookie was shot in the head as a result.FUCK YOU MICKEY FUCK MICKEY FUCK YOU MICKEY FUCK YOU MICKEY FUCK YOU MICKEY FUCK YOU MICKEY AND FUCK THE FAGGOT THAT WROTE THE BOOK
Even if this is true we didn't loose anything of value. This guy is probably the most or one of the most bland playable character created.
Quote from: PedoLuis (っ◕‿◕)っ on March 03, 2015, 05:27:54 PMQuote from: Mr. Admirals on March 03, 2015, 05:24:59 PMQuote from: ChaosMetalDragon™ on March 03, 2015, 05:23:23 PMWhat? No! How? What happened?He was sent around to flank some Innies, and got captured in the process. He was being held hostage in order to get the rest of Alpha-9 to surrender. Instead, Buck ordered Mickey and Dutch to sneak around and get into position to attack. When he executed the maneuver, Mickey hesitated, and the Rookie was shot in the head as a result.FUCK YOU MICKEY FUCK MICKEY FUCK YOU MICKEY FUCK YOU MICKEY FUCK YOU MICKEY FUCK YOU MICKEY AND FUCK THE FAGGOT THAT WROTE THE BOOKDeath to 343i, down with Forbeck, etc. etc.Mickey just didn't want to kill humans. Instead of shooting the chick who had the Rookie hostage, he shouted at her to stop.
Instead of shooting the chick who had the Rookie hostage, he shouted at her to stop.
Oh my god, the Rookie is dead!
