My point is that I'm not for coercion. I'm not trying to say that developers should be forced to make their games better. They should be convinced, peacefully. And if they don't listen, or make things even worse, then we boycott.

Quote from: Verbatim on June 07, 2016, 06:27:41 PM

My point is that I'm not for coercion. I'm not trying to say that developers should be forced to make their games better. They should be convinced, peacefully. And if they don't listen, or make things even worse, then we boycott.

So basically its, "you better make the choice we wont you to make or we riot"

Boycotts aren't riots, you fucking idiot. You're simply refusing to buy a company's products in protest. You can't get much more peaceful than that.

You're a moron.

'an impressively large or varied display of something'

You had to use Google's second definition of "riot," how pathetic. Second definitions for nouns are often reserved for colloquial meanings. It is not the LEGAL definition of riot.

Look at the example sentence that they give: "The garden was a riot of color."
That's clearly not how you're trying to use the word riot.

No, a riot is a violent outburst by a large group of people. That's what a riot is. You fucking stupid fuck.

It would be an impressively large display of consumers not buying a product, technically a riot.

I've never seen a more gross misuse of a word in my life.

Lastly you must realize by now that for every feminist that disagrees there is about a thousand normal people who dont care and will just buy.

A thousand fucking idiots who will die out one day. Thank you for that.

How is sexualized characters negative again?

Because sex is disgusting, loathsome, and vile. Biologically, its only function is to produce children, which is terrible in and of itself--but the fact that we have become so obsessed with it as a society is a mark of shame on all of humanity. It's a perverted, childish degeneracy that speaks nothing of our intelligence, but everything that makes us suck as a species. The fact that we allow our minds to be SO overcome by a pair of breasts or a few rigid bumps on the stomach just makes us so crass, so superficial, and so stupid, it's an absolute affront to anything with nuance or intellectual merit.

If anything, the only justification to have our carnal desires represented in art is to showcase just how horrifically abhorrent it is. How much it controls us, how addicted to it some of us are, and especially how the cravings for it can turn even the most reasonable person on Earth into a perniciously concupiscent pig. It's like a drug.

Beyond that, it has no place in art, in my eyes. Let alone video games. I see no beauty in it whatsoever. It is, without question, the #1 thing that disgusts me the very most about the human race. The fact that we're so obsessed with shoving our piss organs into each other as a bizarre expression of affection. Because kissing just isn't good enough.

Sexuality should be shunned, not celebrated.

You could say it makes women feel worse about themselves or something similar, in that regard I could say the same for male characters. Usually someone will always say it's different for males because it makes them feel empowered, I don't understand this logic.

That's not what I would say. I would agree with you--Men are also sexualized, and that's also a problem. Two wrongs don't make a right. The point is, they're not sexualized as much. The short end of the stick goes to women, because they are sexualized far more often, and in more gratuitous, yet increasingly socially-acceptable, ways. I want it ALL dismantled.

Why is it empowering when we have sexualized males but empowering to females?

Empowerment is not the issue.

I'd argue you're being a little excessive. There are certain aspects of sex and sexuality that negatively affect peoples' perception of each other, and we should be cautious to let sexuality influence our decision-making when rational and morally significant problems are put in front of us. But while it isn't the most useful and wonderful facet of human nature, I don't see any real inconvenience gathered by finding people attractive because of their features and wanting to mess around as a result. I agree that when society has come to prioritize sex above other things, it's a problem, and that's something we should try to ease off of. But to go off on such a massive, hateful rant about the basic concept of two people having sex, to me, is sort of silly.

Sex is "Loathsome and vile" in the same sense that any basic process and nature can be boiled down to something that's either "Disgusting" or excessively complicated. There are underlying and often distasteful ways of representing most natural things, but that doesn't mean that you aren't allowed to enjoy them so long as nobody is being hurt in the process. You can spin those same processes in a different way and end up with something that a lot of people will argue is beautiful and fascinating.

Sure, sex is a bit gross when you get down to what's "Really going on." But the nature of sex, the act of sharing something so intimate and personal with a partner and experiencing that level of pleasure with them, is something that I think is fine. The overarching emotional consequences of having sex with someone you love easily outweigh whatever sort of distaste I think is appropriate to be given towards details of the physical act.

Well, I also forgot to mention that it's used as a marketing ploy. It's something to be taken advantage of. Games can't just look interesting or fun on their own merit. Women cannot be interesting on their own merit. At least, according to game designers. And people buy into it.

Yes, it's possible to have an interesting or detailed or strong female character that is still physically attractive.

But what gets advertised more?
What gets exploited more?
What do people buy the games for?

Theres not much of a reason for swimsuit armor, but I don't hate it due to muh sexism, theres just no need unless its not backed by actual reasonable world building or a plot device, rather than ayy lmao lets just put her in skimpy clothes.

Quote from: Ian on June 07, 2016, 10:23:10 PM

How is sexualized characters negative again?

Because sex is disgusting, loathsome, and vile. Biologically, its only function is to produce children,

You're being more edgy than usual. You okay?

What the hell, i thought she was already banned from YouTube.

Quote from: Verbatim on June 06, 2016, 03:14:02 PM

Quote from: Decimator Omega on June 06, 2016, 03:12:28 PM

Take a good hard look at Anita then. That right there is a terrible channel.

Just because you disagree with her, and other points of view are scary to you.

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I on the other hand at least keep an open mind.

LOL

Verbatim you're fucking killing me. I'm going to end up getting a stroke because of you. I swear.

Avoid the trolls, they have nothing better to do than get people riled up because of their stupidity. He knows Antia scammed thousands of people for an exorbitant amount of money, for videos she stopped making...
If you ignore the trolls, they will die out.

Quote from: Ian on June 07, 2016, 10:23:10 PM

How is sexualized characters negative again?

Because sex is disgusting, loathsome, and vile. Biologically, its only function is to produce children, which is terrible in and of itself--but the fact that we have become so obsessed with it as a society is a mark of shame on all of humanity. It's a perverted, childish degeneracy that speaks nothing of our intelligence, but everything that makes us suck as a species. The fact that we allow our minds to be SO overcome by a pair of breasts or a few rigid bumps on the stomach just makes us so crass, so superficial, and so stupid, it's an absolute affront to anything with nuance or intellectual merit.

If anything, the only justification to have our carnal desires represented in art is to showcase just how horrifically abhorrent it is. How much it controls us, how addicted to it some of us are, and especially how the cravings for it can turn even the most reasonable person on Earth into a perniciously concupiscent pig. It's like a drug.

Beyond that, it has no place in art, in my eyes. Let alone video games. I see no beauty in it whatsoever. It is, without question, the #1 thing that disgusts me the very most about the human race. The fact that we're so obsessed with shoving our piss organs into each other as a bizarre expression of affection. Because kissing just isn't good enough.

Sexuality should be shunned, not celebrated.

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You could say it makes women feel worse about themselves or something similar, in that regard I could say the same for male characters. Usually someone will always say it's different for males because it makes them feel empowered, I don't understand this logic.

That's not what I would say. I would agree with you--Men are also sexualized, and that's also a problem. Two wrongs don't make a right. The point is, they're not sexualized as much. The short end of the stick goes to women, because they are sexualized far more often, and in more gratuitous, yet increasingly socially-acceptable, ways. I want it ALL dismantled.

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Why is it empowering when we have sexualized males but empowering to females?

Empowerment is not the issue.

Because sex is disgusting, loathsome, and vile.

The only people who care so much about sex - are the ones not getting enough of it. Literally nobody else cares.

Not meant to be a roast mate, just sayin'.

Quote from: FatherlyNick on June 08, 2016, 05:11:33 PM

The only people who care so much about sex - are the ones not getting enough of it. Literally nobody else cares.

Not meant to be a roast mate, just sayin'.

I could have sex every day for the rest of my life, and my thoughts would not change. At all.

Im about 100% certain it would.

Quote from: Batch on June 08, 2016, 07:33:34 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on June 08, 2016, 05:16:24 PM

Quote from: FatherlyNick on June 08, 2016, 05:11:33 PM

The only people who care so much about sex - are the ones not getting enough of it. Literally nobody else cares.

Not meant to be a roast mate, just sayin'.

I could have sex every day for the rest of my life, and my thoughts would not change. At all.

Im about 100% certain it would.

I'd be a mindless piece of shit, then, because all of the arguments I've made against sexuality have been philosophical in nature. At no point did I ever say "sex does not feel good" or "sex is not pleasurable." I merely argued that, from an objective perspective outside of the limited realm of humanity, sex is a disgusting act. It doesn't matter how I personally think it feels--it's still disgusting regardless.

So no. You're wrong. Would I enjoy having sex? Probably. I'm a disgusting piece of shit human being.

But that's the point. Human beings are disgusting pieces of shit who enjoy doing disgusting piece of shit things.

Well so is every other animal, its a disgusting world. But I really think if you actually fucked you'd have a more relevant opinion. 

Its like saying muffins are gross, but never eaten a muffin in your life. Grab that muffin with two hands Verb!

Quote from: Nobilital on June 08, 2016, 04:36:47 PM

What the hell, i thought she was already banned from YouTube.

She was unbanned literally thirty minutes after the fact.

Quote from: Nobilital on June 08, 2016, 04:40:55 PM

You shouldn't. Egalitarianism is much better.

I already am an egalitarian. In order to be an egalitarian, you must be a feminist.

That some crazy mental gymnastics you go through.

egalitarian - of, relating to, or believing in the principle that all people are equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities.

Feminism - the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

An egalitarian is equality for all. Feminism is specifically for women.

Quote from: WRGGuntDevil2 on June 08, 2016, 08:15:16 PM

egalitarian - of, relating to, or believing in the principle that all people are equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities.

Guess what?

Women are people. Fucking retard.

I don't think you understand my depressed edge-lord.

Feminism is specifically for WOMEN, not everyone. Unlike, Egalitarianism.
You said that in order to be an Egalitarian you have to be a Feminist, that doesn't make sense if you're advocating for one group of people. You doublethinking, dunce.

Egalitarianism covers all the bases. So for your dumbass to espouse, "I'm a feminist, meninist, treeist too!" Doesn't make the slightest sense if you're already under a group that quite literally covers EVERYONE.