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Anita Sarkeesian: Lingerie is not Armor - Tropes vs Women in Video Games

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"These narrative explanations don't make it okay."

So we should destroy artistic integrity because "muh feelings"? Dumb cunt.

 
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As a hard core Metal Gear fan though, and all the silly things it's done, even in the favor of Fanservice (Johnny and his butt), I will say that seeing a character as shallow and appealing to the lowest common denominator as Quiet, really bothers me. You'd think Kojima in all of his writing wisdom would have not sold out to something so cheap.

But that game and the development with it was all a mess from the get go anyway.

But I'm probably off topic. I'll maybe watch later.
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Quote from: Dapper Droid on June 06, 2016, 05:27:23 PM
"These narrative explanations don't make it okay."

So we should destroy artistic integrity because "muh feelings"? Dumb cunt.
When your "narrative explanation" is just a half assed workaround to have skimpy outfits, that's literally the opposite of artistic integrity.

 
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Quote from: Luciana on June 06, 2016, 05:27:52 PM
You'd think Kojima in all of his writing wisdom would have not sold out to something so cheap.
its kojima

stop acting surprised

 
 
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Quote from: Luciana on June 06, 2016, 05:27:52 PM
As a hard core Metal Gear fan though, and all the silly things it's done, even in the favor of Fanservice (Johnny and his butt), I will say that seeing a character as shallow and appealing to the lowest common denominator as Quiet, really bothers me. You'd think Kojima in all of his writing wisdom would have not sold out to something so cheap.

But that game and the development with it was all a mess from the get go anyway.

But I'm probably off topic. I'll maybe watch later.
you can just read it, if you can't even stand to see her face/hear her voice

But yeah, would you happen to know the general consensus of Quiet from MGS fans? Do they support Kojima's great justification for her design, or were people upset about it? I wouldn't be surprised if they actually considered it well-done, or even poignant.

 
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If you know, you know.
Meanwhile in middle east ACTUAL 3D women are being killed for not accepting a sex slave life.
Anyway, yeah - women in video games should be nuns.

 
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Men dont even get that, they have to go shirtless and that isnt cool. Thats portraying a non-obtainable example that most people just cant meet. Its disgusting.

 
 
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Quote from: FatherlyNick on June 06, 2016, 05:40:53 PM
Meanwhile in middle east ACTUAL 3D women are being killed for not accepting a sex slave life.
Anyway, yeah - women in video games should be nuns.
Woah, apparently bad things happening in one place invalidates bad things happening in a different place! Crazy shit.

 
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Quote from: SecondClass on June 06, 2016, 05:44:56 PM
Quote from: FatherlyNick on June 06, 2016, 05:40:53 PM
Meanwhile in middle east ACTUAL 3D women are being killed for not accepting a sex slave life.
Anyway, yeah - women in video games should be nuns.
Woah, apparently bad things happening in one place invalidates bad things happening in a different place! Crazy shit.
Nah, not that - just that these non-issue get a lot of attention and people get really passionate about it while actual women rights and life risks get no mention. Has A.S ever covered those regions? Has she campaigned for more rights for women in Egypt or Emirates?

 
 
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Quote from: FatherlyNick on June 06, 2016, 06:02:00 PM
while actual women rights and life risks get no mention.
Except they don't.
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Has A.S ever covered those regions? Has she campaigned for more rights for women in Egypt or Emirates?
Not that I know of, but there are plenty of feminists in the world who are. Why does she have to?

 
 
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Quote from: Azumarill on June 06, 2016, 05:32:16 PM
Quote from: Luciana on June 06, 2016, 05:27:52 PM
You'd think Kojima in all of his writing wisdom would have not sold out to something so cheap.
its kojima

stop acting surprised
I'm more so surprised at his drop off from his writing of Peace Walker which is arguably just as good, if not better than 3 in terms of story. But he also lost his co-writer too, so that could explain a lot.

 
 
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Quote from: Verbatim on June 06, 2016, 05:36:57 PM
you can just read it, if you can't even stand to see her face/hear her voice

But yeah, would you happen to know the general consensus of Quiet from MGS fans? Do they support Kojima's great justification for her design, or were people upset about it? I wouldn't be surprised if they actually considered it well-done, or even poignant.
I don't think most are upset, but I'm sure a majority of them know she's just cheap fanservice and not that strong of a character in the slightest.

Though I do think the way they handled her ending, when she actually SHOWED character, was perfectly fine. That's my head canon ending to the game anyway and not that stupid cliffhanger cut off.

 
 
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Quote from: challengerX on June 06, 2016, 07:00:16 PM
Really makes you think
forced jokes are great XD ;P

 
 
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it's you

Stop lurking /pol/
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lol it's you again

define a priori in your own words
>"if I flex my vocabulary and act like only I know these words I can recover from this sick burn"
No

>"if I keep using forced jokes that make no sense maybe I can fool myself into thinking I'm capable of sick burns"

 
 
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guys, how am i supposed to shove my feminist beliefs down your throat if you're all just gonna do this :(

 
 
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
—Judge Aaron Satie
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Quote from: challengerX on June 06, 2016, 07:51:59 PM
Quote from: SecondClass on June 06, 2016, 07:50:21 PM
Quote from: challengerX on June 06, 2016, 07:46:48 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on June 06, 2016, 07:32:15 PM
Quote from: challengerX on June 06, 2016, 07:31:05 PM
Quote from: challengerX on June 06, 2016, 07:27:39 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on June 06, 2016, 07:15:37 PM
Quote from: challengerX on June 06, 2016, 07:07:32 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on June 06, 2016, 07:06:20 PM
Quote from: challengerX on June 06, 2016, 07:00:16 PM
Really makes you think
you'll be thinking about this dick next morning
it's you

Stop lurking /pol/
never
lol it's you again

define a priori in your own words
>"if I flex my vocabulary and act like only I know these words I can recover from this sick burn"
No

>"if I keep using forced jokes that make no sense maybe I can fool myself into thinking I'm capable of sick burns"
it's you

applies to me as much as it applies to you

as in, not at all

try harder next time lol

 
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Quote from: Verbatim on June 06, 2016, 07:53:14 PM
guys, how am i supposed to shove my feminist beliefs down your throat if you're all just gonna do this :(


 
 
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Quote from: Decimator Omega on June 06, 2016, 08:26:48 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on June 06, 2016, 07:53:14 PM
guys, how am i supposed to shove my feminist beliefs down your throat if you're all just gonna do this :(

she even used Whacked! footage in this video

 
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Sigs fo nigs
And here I am thinking the skimpy armor debacle was universally accepted as being dumb.

 
 
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Quote from: Saleem on June 06, 2016, 08:28:26 PM
And here I am thinking the skimpy armor debacle was universally accepted as being dumb.
If it were, it wouldn't be so marketable to have characters with skimpy armor.

 
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