Is the Spartan 4 program the "true" spartan program?

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The ORION Project didn't work out as great as what the people in charge of it thought it would be.

The Spartan 2 program did create effective super soldiers but at the same time I consider it a fail. They kidnapped kids and trained them which hinders the amount of people they have doing the program. If that wasn't bad enough then there's the augmentations which has a high casualty rate. So on top of having limited numbers in the program there's these augmentations which lowers the numbers even more. So you have to end up kidnapping even more children than what you should just to make up for the ones lost during the augmentations. The other problem is that it's a waste of time training kids. With people that are already soldiers you can put them into the field a lot sooner.

For the Spartan 3 program the Spartan weren't as great as the Spartan 2's physical wise but the augmentations were 100% safe. So if you have 500 people getting the augmentations done to them you will have 500 people after that to use. The only real negative thing about this program is that just like the Spartan 2 program they are kidnapping children for it.

Then there's the Spartan 4 program. The augmentations are as safe as the Spartan 3's but here's the great thing about this program. Instead of using kids they are using volunteers which gets rid of that dark aspect to the program. So there is really a limitless number of Spartans you can have for this program. The other good thing is that since they are using already trained people they don't have to waste as much time training them since they were kids. They are able to put these people into the fields as Spartans as soon as possible. 


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Spartan IVs act like cocky college kids, I hate it.

Spartan IIs and Spartan IIIs true Spartans.


 
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The S-III's would have even a lot better with MJOLNIR armour, which was their biggest downfall.

As of now, the IV's are the best soldiers humanity has to offer (Aside from like, 10 S-II's) as they are given MJOLNIR GEN2, even safer/ better augmentations than before and are recruited from adult soldiers rather than kids, though it could be argued that is their greatest downfall, as they lack the obedience of their predecessors. I can imagine that within a few decades, the majority of human soldiers will be augmented.


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The S4s are the truest fulfilment of Halsey's vision that the Spartans are humanity's next military step, the fact they can be deployed in large numbers and with minimal ethics issues makes them far more useful than the S2s and S3s, but it'salso worth noting they are clearly in a tier below the S2s/3s but above all else-so I think that perhaps improvements on the S2 program could lead to another type of S4s, spartans fit to lead armies/squads of S4s into battle but without the major issues the S2 program and S4 program had/has


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the fact they can be deployed in large numbers and with minimal ethics issues makes them far more useful than the S2s and S3s
Did you not read Ghost of Onyx?


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Spartan IIs and Spartan IIIs true Spartans.
How? The majority of the people you are using as Spartans for the Spartan 2 program become casualties from the augmentations. With the Spartan 3 program you're still using kids which takes them longer to train. With soldiers volunteering to be Spartans you have a near limitless amount of people and it takes them less longer to become Spartans than it would with kids. 
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What about it? How does Halo being fiction mean we can't have discussions about the things in the lore?


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i was under the impression that the gen 2 armor makes up for the augmentations the spartan IVs receive

then again a II could just wear gen 2

as for the program itself, it's a compromise between quantity and quality, most if not all of the IVs were odsts and have seen their fair share of shet, still no match for the past iterations individually   


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i was under the impression that the gen 2 armor makes up for the augmentations the spartan IVs receive

then again a II could just wear gen 2

as for the program itself, it's a compromise between quantity and quality, most if not all of the IVs were odsts and have seen their fair share of shet, still no match for the past iterations individually


And Spartan III's.


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i was under the impression that the gen 2 armor makes up for the augmentations the spartan IVs receive

then again a II could just wear gen 2

as for the program itself, it's a compromise between quantity and quality, most if not all of the IVs were odsts and have seen their fair share of shet, still no match for the past iterations individually


And Spartan III's.



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Spartan S-IIs and S-IIIs have superior training than the S-IVs. That's essentially the only advantage that the S-IIs and S-IIIs have.
Everything else about the S-IV programme is better than its predecessors.
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muh children

Really, if these humans are going to get all mad that a few hundred kids were stolen then they're ignorant motherfuckers. The entire race was on the thread for extinction and they can't be grateful a few had to be sacrificed for the greater good of the race


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Really, if these humans are going to get all mad that a few hundred kids were stolen then they're ignorant motherfuckers. The entire race was on the thread for extinction and they can't be grateful a few had to be sacrificed for the greater good of the race
Spartans weren't created to combat the Covenant though.


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Really, if these humans are going to get all mad that a few hundred kids were stolen then they're ignorant motherfuckers. The entire race was on the thread for extinction and they can't be grateful a few had to be sacrificed for the greater good of the race
Spartans weren't created to combat the Covenant though.
But their objective was switched to fight the Covenant years later


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Really, if these humans are going to get all mad that a few hundred kids were stolen then they're ignorant motherfuckers. The entire race was on the thread for extinction and they can't be grateful a few had to be sacrificed for the greater good of the race
Spartans weren't created to combat the Covenant though.
But their objective was switched to fight the Covenant years later
It's still morally wrong, but eh. It saved their asses.


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Really, if these humans are going to get all mad that a few hundred kids were stolen then they're ignorant motherfuckers. The entire race was on the thread for extinction and they can't be grateful a few had to be sacrificed for the greater good of the race
Spartans weren't created to combat the Covenant though.
But their objective was switched to fight the Covenant years later
It's still morally wrong, but eh. It saved their asses.
Morals? In war? Come on now, pls


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Really, if these humans are going to get all mad that a few hundred kids were stolen then they're ignorant motherfuckers. The entire race was on the thread for extinction and they can't be grateful a few had to be sacrificed for the greater good of the race
Spartans weren't created to combat the Covenant though.
But their objective was switched to fight the Covenant years later
It's still morally wrong, but eh. It saved their asses.
Morals? In war? Come on now, pls
Just because they were fighting Innies doesn't mean it wasn't morally wrong.


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I thought the S-III's were volunteers who consented to be sent on important but suicidal missions, no? It's been a while since I looked into Halo lore though.

Also, aren't S-IV's just Wal-Mart Spartans that can be produced en-mass? They're basically just above average ODST's.


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I thought the S-III's were volunteers who consented to be sent on important but suicidal missions, no? It's been a while since I looked into Halo lore though.
No. S-IIIs were abducted as kids just like the S-IIs. The difference is that they weren't picked based upon their genetics.
S-IIs were children with the best genes, whereas S-IIIs were just any kind of kid.


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the fact they can be deployed in large numbers and with minimal ethics issues makes them far more useful than the S2s and S3s
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Spartan IIs and Spartan IIIs true Spartans.
How? The majority of the people you are using as Spartans for the Spartan 2 program become casualties from the augmentations. With the Spartan 3 program you're still using kids which takes them longer to train. With soldiers volunteering to be Spartans you have a near limitless amount of people and it takes them less longer to become Spartans than it would with kids.
But those that do survive are the very best, and the selectivity is part of it-the concept of spartans was named after the real-life spartans, so in that sense the 2s are the closest to a true spartan


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I thought the S-III's were volunteers who consented to be sent on important but suicidal missions, no? It's been a while since I looked into Halo lore though.
No. S-IIIs were abducted as kids just like the S-IIs. The difference is that they weren't picked based upon their genetics.
S-IIs were children with the best genes, whereas S-IIIs were just any kind of kid.
Ah I see.


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I thought the S-III's were volunteers who consented to be sent on important but suicidal missions, no? It's been a while since I looked into Halo lore though.
No. S-IIIs were abducted as kids just like the S-IIs. The difference is that they weren't picked based upon their genetics.
S-IIs were children with the best genes, whereas S-IIIs were just any kind of kid.
Ah I see.
They took orphans who had their families killed by the Covenant, if I remember correctly.
It's just that I remember the H:Reach cinematic where teen Carter volunteers to be augmented, so that's where I got the impression from.

It was a promotional ad for the game though, so it could be non canon.


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I thought the S-III's were volunteers who consented to be sent on important but suicidal missions, no? It's been a while since I looked into Halo lore though.
No. S-IIIs were abducted as kids just like the S-IIs. The difference is that they weren't picked based upon their genetics.
S-IIs were children with the best genes, whereas S-IIIs were just any kind of kid.
Ah I see.
They took orphans who had their families killed by the Covenant, if I remember correctly.
It's just that I remember the H:Reach cinematic where teen Carter volunteers to be augmented, so that's where I got the impression from.

It was a promotional ad for the game though, so it could be non canon.
He wasn't a volunteer.


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I thought the S-III's were volunteers who consented to be sent on important but suicidal missions, no? It's been a while since I looked into Halo lore though.
No. S-IIIs were abducted as kids just like the S-IIs. The difference is that they weren't picked based upon their genetics.
S-IIs were children with the best genes, whereas S-IIIs were just any kind of kid.
Ah I see.
They took orphans who had their families killed by the Covenant, if I remember correctly.
It's just that I remember the H:Reach cinematic where teen Carter volunteers to be augmented, so that's where I got the impression from.

It was a promotional ad for the game though, so it could be non canon.
He wasn't a volunteer.
He looks like a consenting adult, not an orphan/kid.