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You either die a hero or live long enough to become Mythic..
So which ending is canon? I've had all of them, I think.
All are.
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In the 'Linking of the Fire ending' you simply slightly prolong the age of fire but the inevitable end will come nontheless. Not confirmed but reasonable speculation: You'll be assimilated into the Soul of Cinder and await the next Ashen One who may reach the kiln.

Letting The Fire fade results in Darkness but, judging from Ludleth's cycle in which exactly this happened, the fire will never completely die and one Undead will still cast himself to the flame, starting another cycle similar to the one you lived through.

The Ursurpation of Fire is something new. You are hollow and assimilate the first flame. It's not exactly clear what the repercussions are but I think you either completely smothered the flame in yourself, starting a true age of Dark for mankind or you started an age of grey, like the very first age of Ancients long ago as it was described in Dark Souls 1. Either way, I think this is the ultimate Ending. Not in the sense of it being the 'good' or the 'true' ending but one that provides closure.

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Really?

The Betrayal ending IMO was the one ending that gave closure. All that Usurpation does is raise more questions. While with Betrayal that's it. As long as you don't fuck with the fire keeper she holds it till it completely fades. Nothing is refueling it after that. A nice closing of the series IMO.


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So which ending is canon? I've had all of them, I think.
All are.
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In the 'Linking of the Fire ending' you simply slightly prolong the age of fire but the inevitable end will come nontheless. Not confirmed but reasonable speculation: You'll be assimilated into the Soul of Cinder and await the next Ashen One who may reach the kiln.

Letting The Fire fade results in Darkness but, judging from Ludleth's cycle in which exactly this happened, the fire will never completely die and one Undead will still cast himself to the flame, starting another cycle similar to the one you lived through.

The Ursurpation of Fire is something new. You are hollow and assimilate the first flame. It's not exactly clear what the repercussions are but I think you either completely smothered the flame in yourself, starting a true age of Dark for mankind or you started an age of grey, like the very first age of Ancients long ago as it was described in Dark Souls 1. Either way, I think this is the ultimate Ending. Not in the sense of it being the 'good' or the 'true' ending but one that provides closure.

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Really?

The Betrayal ending IMO was the one ending that gave closure. All that Usurpation does is raise more questions. While with Betrayal that's it. As long as you don't fuck with the fire keeper she holds it till it completely fades. Nothing is refueling it after that. A nice closing of the series IMO.
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"Ashen one, forgive me if this soundeth strange. The eyes show a world without fire, a vast stretch of darkness. But 'tis different to what is seen when stripped of vision. In the far distance, I sense the presence of tiny flames. Like precious embers, left to us by past Lords, linkers of the fire. Could this be what draws me to this strangely enticing darkness?"

There will still be embers left and as long those persist the fire can and will reignite.


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So which ending is canon? I've had all of them, I think.
All are.
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In the 'Linking of the Fire ending' you simply slightly prolong the age of fire but the inevitable end will come nontheless. Not confirmed but reasonable speculation: You'll be assimilated into the Soul of Cinder and await the next Ashen One who may reach the kiln.

Letting The Fire fade results in Darkness but, judging from Ludleth's cycle in which exactly this happened, the fire will never completely die and one Undead will still cast himself to the flame, starting another cycle similar to the one you lived through.

The Ursurpation of Fire is something new. You are hollow and assimilate the first flame. It's not exactly clear what the repercussions are but I think you either completely smothered the flame in yourself, starting a true age of Dark for mankind or you started an age of grey, like the very first age of Ancients long ago as it was described in Dark Souls 1. Either way, I think this is the ultimate Ending. Not in the sense of it being the 'good' or the 'true' ending but one that provides closure.

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Really?

The Betrayal ending IMO was the one ending that gave closure. All that Usurpation does is raise more questions. While with Betrayal that's it. As long as you don't fuck with the fire keeper she holds it till it completely fades. Nothing is refueling it after that. A nice closing of the series IMO.
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"Ashen one, forgive me if this soundeth strange. The eyes show a world without fire, a vast stretch of darkness. But 'tis different to what is seen when stripped of vision. In the far distance, I sense the presence of tiny flames. Like precious embers, left to us by past Lords, linkers of the fire. Could this be what draws me to this strangely enticing darkness?"

There will still be embers left and as long those persist the fire can and will reignite.
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"The First Flame quickly fades.
Darkness will shortly settle.
But one day, tiny flames will dance across the darkness.
Like embers, linked by lords past."


 
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You either die a hero or live long enough to become Mythic..
So which ending is canon? I've had all of them, I think.
All are.
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In the 'Linking of the Fire ending' you simply slightly prolong the age of fire but the inevitable end will come nontheless. Not confirmed but reasonable speculation: You'll be assimilated into the Soul of Cinder and await the next Ashen One who may reach the kiln.

Letting The Fire fade results in Darkness but, judging from Ludleth's cycle in which exactly this happened, the fire will never completely die and one Undead will still cast himself to the flame, starting another cycle similar to the one you lived through.

The Ursurpation of Fire is something new. You are hollow and assimilate the first flame. It's not exactly clear what the repercussions are but I think you either completely smothered the flame in yourself, starting a true age of Dark for mankind or you started an age of grey, like the very first age of Ancients long ago as it was described in Dark Souls 1. Either way, I think this is the ultimate Ending. Not in the sense of it being the 'good' or the 'true' ending but one that provides closure.

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Really?

The Betrayal ending IMO was the one ending that gave closure. All that Usurpation does is raise more questions. While with Betrayal that's it. As long as you don't fuck with the fire keeper she holds it till it completely fades. Nothing is refueling it after that. A nice closing of the series IMO.
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"Ashen one, forgive me if this soundeth strange. The eyes show a world without fire, a vast stretch of darkness. But 'tis different to what is seen when stripped of vision. In the far distance, I sense the presence of tiny flames. Like precious embers, left to us by past Lords, linkers of the fire. Could this be what draws me to this strangely enticing darkness?"

There will still be embers left and as long those persist the fire can and will reignite.
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"The First Flame quickly fades.
Darkness will shortly settle.
But one day, tiny flames will dance across the darkness.
Like embers, linked by lords past."

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Kind of like the beginning of Dark Souls 1

It was a world void of light, then it just sprung up out of nowhere.

It gives the hope that one day the flame will return anew, but the old one we have reignited for so long can finally fade.


 
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You either die a hero or live long enough to become Mythic..
I think it's pretty clear we took that ending in two different ways.

Which is a good thing. Dark Souls is great because of how many ways you can interpret it.


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So which ending is canon? I've had all of them, I think.
All are.
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In the 'Linking of the Fire ending' you simply slightly prolong the age of fire but the inevitable end will come nontheless. Not confirmed but reasonable speculation: You'll be assimilated into the Soul of Cinder and await the next Ashen One who may reach the kiln.

Letting The Fire fade results in Darkness but, judging from Ludleth's cycle in which exactly this happened, the fire will never completely die and one Undead will still cast himself to the flame, starting another cycle similar to the one you lived through.

The Ursurpation of Fire is something new. You are hollow and assimilate the first flame. It's not exactly clear what the repercussions are but I think you either completely smothered the flame in yourself, starting a true age of Dark for mankind or you started an age of grey, like the very first age of Ancients long ago as it was described in Dark Souls 1. Either way, I think this is the ultimate Ending. Not in the sense of it being the 'good' or the 'true' ending but one that provides closure.

Spoiler
Really?

The Betrayal ending IMO was the one ending that gave closure. All that Usurpation does is raise more questions. While with Betrayal that's it. As long as you don't fuck with the fire keeper she holds it till it completely fades. Nothing is refueling it after that. A nice closing of the series IMO.
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"Ashen one, forgive me if this soundeth strange. The eyes show a world without fire, a vast stretch of darkness. But 'tis different to what is seen when stripped of vision. In the far distance, I sense the presence of tiny flames. Like precious embers, left to us by past Lords, linkers of the fire. Could this be what draws me to this strangely enticing darkness?"

There will still be embers left and as long those persist the fire can and will reignite.
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"The First Flame quickly fades.
Darkness will shortly settle.
But one day, tiny flames will dance across the darkness.
Like embers, linked by lords past."

Spoiler
Kind of like the beginning of Dark Souls 1

It was a world void of light, then it just sprung up out of nowhere.

It gives the hope that one day the flame will return anew, but the old one we have reignited for so long can finally fade.
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But at the very beginning it was a world devoid of both Light and Dark. No contrasts - no life, no death. It isn't true new beginning, just a long time of being ever so close at the end. If letting the fire fade would mean a ultimate end to the flame then the Dark Lord Ending of Dark Souls 1 would already have done the job. But it didn't, because the Fire was linked to the Dark Soul. Whenever the flame fades and the Dark Soul grows stronger so would the flame because of this link. The natrual order was halted.

Also Ludleth hails from a fireless age - he saw the darkness caused by the grand betrayal and decided to take action and become a Lord of Cinder by his own volition. Since he was so weak compared to the other lords his legs completely turned to ash and his skin is charred. The fire burnt him almost completely. Still he prolonged the age of fire.
Who's to say there isn't another Person so afraid of the Dark?

But if you Ursurp the fire you do the exact opposite. Instead of Casting souls to the flame you cast the flame onto the soul - or more accurately, something devoid of souls. Because that is what being hollow is which is why it is so significant to the ending. You encase the flame in frame devoid of anything that keeps it alive. You kill it for good. This is what should have been.


 
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You either die a hero or live long enough to become Mythic..
So which ending is canon? I've had all of them, I think.
All are.
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In the 'Linking of the Fire ending' you simply slightly prolong the age of fire but the inevitable end will come nontheless. Not confirmed but reasonable speculation: You'll be assimilated into the Soul of Cinder and await the next Ashen One who may reach the kiln.

Letting The Fire fade results in Darkness but, judging from Ludleth's cycle in which exactly this happened, the fire will never completely die and one Undead will still cast himself to the flame, starting another cycle similar to the one you lived through.

The Ursurpation of Fire is something new. You are hollow and assimilate the first flame. It's not exactly clear what the repercussions are but I think you either completely smothered the flame in yourself, starting a true age of Dark for mankind or you started an age of grey, like the very first age of Ancients long ago as it was described in Dark Souls 1. Either way, I think this is the ultimate Ending. Not in the sense of it being the 'good' or the 'true' ending but one that provides closure.

Spoiler
Really?

The Betrayal ending IMO was the one ending that gave closure. All that Usurpation does is raise more questions. While with Betrayal that's it. As long as you don't fuck with the fire keeper she holds it till it completely fades. Nothing is refueling it after that. A nice closing of the series IMO.
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"Ashen one, forgive me if this soundeth strange. The eyes show a world without fire, a vast stretch of darkness. But 'tis different to what is seen when stripped of vision. In the far distance, I sense the presence of tiny flames. Like precious embers, left to us by past Lords, linkers of the fire. Could this be what draws me to this strangely enticing darkness?"

There will still be embers left and as long those persist the fire can and will reignite.
Spoiler
"The First Flame quickly fades.
Darkness will shortly settle.
But one day, tiny flames will dance across the darkness.
Like embers, linked by lords past."

Spoiler
Kind of like the beginning of Dark Souls 1

It was a world void of light, then it just sprung up out of nowhere.

It gives the hope that one day the flame will return anew, but the old one we have reignited for so long can finally fade.
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But at the very beginning it was a world devoid of both Light and Dark. No contrasts - no life, no death. It isn't true new beginning, just a long time of being ever so close at the end. If letting the fire fade would mean a ultimate end to the flame then the Dark Lord Ending of Dark Souls 1 would already have done the job. But it didn't, because the Fire was linked to the Dark Soul. Whenever the flame fades and the Dark Soul grows stronger so would the flame because of this link. The natrual order was halted.

Also Ludleth hails from a fireless age - he saw the darkness caused by the grand betrayal and decided to take action and become a Lord of Cinder by his own volition. Since he was so weak compared to the other lords his legs completely turned to ash and his skin is charred. The fire burnt him almost completely. Still he prolonged the age of fire.
Who's to say there isn't another Person so afraid of the Dark?

But if you Ursurp the fire you do the exact opposite. Instead of Casting souls to the flame you cast the flame onto the soul - or more accurately, something devoid of souls. Because that is what being hollow is which is why it is so significant to the ending. You encase the flame in frame devoid of anything that keeps it alive. You kill it for good. This is what should have been.

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YouTube

MadLuigi does a great job explaining the endings, and I happen to feel the same way as him on it.

The problem with Usurpation of Fire is your not killing it, you're taking control of it.
While yeah it probably is the closest thing to a world without light or dark it also just raises way too many damn questions for me. Unless the questions are answered in DLC I will count Betrayal as the true ending. As it closes up the series quite nicely.

And IMO the only reason that the flame can be reignited is when there is a small amount of flame left to reignite. However as the fire keeper holds it at the end of DS3 it has nothing to keep it from fading. The souls of the undead are what fuel the flame, and the bonfires are made from the bones of undead. Without an undead/unkindled to ignite it, or bones of undead to keep it lit. How does it do anything but fade in the fire keeper's hands?



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What verb said, + there's an animation for consuming souls that you don't have to watch.

also here's my man

what helmet is that?


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What verb said, + there's an animation for consuming souls that you don't have to watch.

also here's my man

what helmet is that?
drakeblood helm, gloves, and boots I think

You know the chest


 
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What verb said, + there's an animation for consuming souls that you don't have to watch.

also here's my man

what helmet is that?
drakeblood helm, gloves, and boots I think

You know the chest

Huh

I wouldnt have guessed drakeblood because of the white

And those are the shadow boots actually


 
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So which ending is canon? I've had all of them, I think.
you decide on that


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What verb said, + there's an animation for consuming souls that you don't have to watch.

also here's my man

what helmet is that?
drakeblood helm, gloves, and boots I think

You know the chest

Huh

I wouldnt have guessed drakeblood because of the white

And those are the shadow boots actually
oh yeah the drakeblood boots were too heavy


 
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Wtf was that intro


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Jacob Potila was actually a Jacob Flotilla of lies.- WarTurkey
Snake is right. You probably shouldn't be able to max out every stat, especially if it ruins things like PvP.
i mean you've been known to have some of the most backwards nonsensical ideas about what should and shouldn't be allowed in the series

It doesn't ruin anything it just isn't what MOST people online choose to do. Freedom of choice in a roll playing game isn't a bad thing. Not to mention There's still thousands of people pvping above 120.

It's literally no different than smogon rules in Pokemon
Then give me a pause feature. Freedom of choice, and you don't have to use it if you don't want to.

Also, Smogon rules should be official, too.

No I need to have leftovers on EVERYTHING


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Jacob Potila was actually a Jacob Flotilla of lies.- WarTurkey
Wtf was that intro

DS2 is very vague.


 
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No I need to have leftovers on EVERYTHING
You can under Smogon rules. Item Clause is a VGC thing.
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Wtf was that intro

Your character was apparently a wax sculptor who tried to kill himself because his favorite scultpures melted. You ended up in hell evidently.

Also there something about time travel, and the old woman is apparantly a dragon. (Or so Reddit tells me)
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No estus?


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No estus?

Holy shit I forgot about the retarded health system in that game lmfao

Pro tip that will save you one million pains in your ass: as soon as you get an item called ring of life protection wear that shit 24/7 and repair it as soon as you break it.
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Holy shit I forgot about the retarded health system in that game lmfao

Pro tip that will save you one million pains in your ass: as soon as you get an item called ring of life protection wear that shit 24/7 and repair it as soon as you break it.

I found the flask so i think we're okay so far👍

I never had anything break in ds3 so idk how to do that stuff

I also found an estus shard but the blacksmith aint got a key so we're fucked rn


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No estus?

Holy shit I forgot about the retarded health system in that game lmfao

Pro tip that will save you one million pains in your ass: as soon as you get an item called ring of life protection wear that shit 24/7 and repair it as soon as you break it.

I found the flask so i think we're okay so far👍

I never had anything break in ds3 so idk how to do that stuff

I also found an estus shard but the blacksmith aint got a key so we're fucked rn
shit actually breaks in dark souls 2 but pretty rarely. You literally just pay to have it fixed.

But sadly I just googled where to get that ring and apparently they've removed all the early locations it spawns in SotFS

Dark souls 2 has a retarded mechanic where dying lowers your max health and the ring makes your death not count.


 
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Well that just means ill have to not die as much

Play the patience game and keep rollin because my weapons are garbo


 
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Anyways im saving at the forest of giants bonfire cuz myfriend made me get out of bed at 10 am this morning to go have brunch with her and now im exhausted so yeah

Basically so far it doesnt really feel like dark souls to me but considering my background i have no right to an opinion like that. It feels much more thematic than ds3.


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I also found an estus shard but the blacksmith aint got a key so we're fucked rn

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Firekeeper levels the estus, not the blacksmith.


 
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Is that a legit spoiler
no read it