Picking up spacies was a mistake. I jump out of shine with Y and I just know it’s gonna come back and bite me if I don’t look after my hands properly. But I’m so addicted to the reward for high APM with them now.

Xenoblade is one of the cringiest franchises that Nintendo is responsible for publishing.

This is pretty harsh if you're judging it based on the disgusting hentai gacha shitfest that Xenoblade Chronicles 2 was. I know for a fact you wouldn't like the Mecha theming from X and it had that silliness with the boob slider as well, but 1 had a genuinely cool aesthetic as opposed to Tron-Stripper bullshit. 

Byleth was an insult, and is the reason why I'm glad I never bought a fighter pass.

I can 100% get behind this though.

Pov: you attempted to approach ganon in melee

And just like the last stripper Sakurai added Pyra has Witch Time but it's build into her spot dodge.
Why did I buy this game?

so i got the guy who got blown up on twitter for making an "exaggerated jiggle physics" mod to give me a tutorial on how to reduce the jiggle physics to 0

hey guys, i changed my mind—mods are pretty cool after all

Quote from: Verbatim on March 07, 2021, 06:44:24 PM

so i got the guy who got blown up on twitter for making an "exaggerated jiggle physics" mod to give me a tutorial on how to reduce the jiggle physics to 0

hey guys, i changed my mind—mods are pretty cool after all

theres jiggle physics in this game??

i believe pyra/mythra are the first smash characters to have jiggle physics in the chest region, yeah

pretty embarrassing, but not super noticeable—now there really is no excuse for Mai not to be in the background of that one Fatal Fury stage, i guess

Now is the perfect time to get back into Smash Bros

world tour 2.0 let's go. Hope nintendo doesn't catch wind of this one

any reason to think they won't?

Anyone play slippi round here? 

fite my yoshi

Anyone play slippi round here? 

fite my yoshi

I do, depending on location might need to set up to a 6f buffer since I'm in Australia lol

so i got the guy who got blown up on twitter for making an "exaggerated jiggle physics" mod to give me a tutorial on how to reduce the jiggle physics to 0

hey guys, i changed my mind—mods are pretty cool after all

Pardon my killing time for a bit. Surprised you never changed your stance on mods Verb(minus the half hearted jest here).

Popped into my head recently while idlely thinking how many ways you can technically poke holes in the mods r bad motto you carry via asking questions.

Quote from: E on April 08, 2021, 10:50:36 PM

Pardon my killing time for a bit. Surprised you never changed your stance on mods Verb(minus the half hearted jest here).

Popped into my head recently while idlely thinking how many ways you can technically poke holes in the mods r bad motto you carry via asking questions.

when it comes to mods, i've changed my stance insofar as i care significantly less when other people do it—so long as they're not trying to tell ME to do it, because that would be obnoxious

the least offensive mods to me are those that fix game-breaking bugs, and add functionalities like netplay to games that didn't previously have them (such as Super Smash Bros. Melee), or anything installed after you've already beaten the vanilla game at least once

but even with the former category, that's getting into a sketchy territory on the basis that it shouldn't be up to the players, on principle, to fix your broken-ass game for you—and don't get me started on "lore-friendly" mods, which are, more often than not, far from it

anything that defies developer intentions is an obvious no-go, but even things outside of that still rub me the wrong way, just because i've always valued having an authentic experience with a game

i'm not out here, like most people, playing games strictly for entertainment purposes—i'm out here to figure out what the best games ever made are, because i actually think of games as works of art worthy of critical evaluation, and part of a good critical evaluation is coming to the understanding that a game's flaws make up an important aspect of what that game is at its core, in the same way that a movie's flaws are an important aspect of what makes the movie what it is—and yet, we don't really see people modifying movies very often (although i'm sure there's some weirdos who do that—solonoid just posted an edit of GvK, but stuff like that is pretty outside of the norm)

being able to face up to those flaws, rather than trying to sweep them under the rug with a mod, will allow you to have a stronger grasp of what your tastes are, what the best games for you are, and what kinds of flaws and issues you're willing to put up with in order to play an otherwise fun game—and then, rather than modding those problems out, the best solution is to find a similar game that doesn't have that flaw, and then you won't have to mod anything (because you shouldn't have to—games should just be good out of the box)

now, granted, i do understand now more than ever that 99% of gamers just don't give a fuck about anything to do with what i just said, and just wanna have their dumb fun doing all kinds of stupid shit in their video games, because video games are strictly an entertainment medium for them—and i'm able to concede, at this point in my life, that that's probably fine

i still have a different perspective, though, and i think my way of thinking tends to lead to more fulfilling gameplay experiences—my vanilla skyrim may not be as fun to play as your ultra-modified version of it, but for me, part of a game's fun factor is having the opportunity to experience, discuss, and criticize its imperfections, which you'll miss out on entirely if you decide to mod those imperfections out (whether you care or not)

i don't think any of these thoughts should be controversial or unreasonable—i'm not saying anyone needs to agree with me by any means, but in order to understand where i'm coming from even more, think back to how george lucas likes to keep editing the original star wars movies

regardless of how strongly you feel about the edited star wars films, there's a good chance that you probably disagree with lucas's decision to make these alterations—but why?

probably for the same exact reasons that i don't like modifying games

Glad I get something interesting to ponder and talk about today. Apologies about the possible length. Broad subject to talk about. My intent isn't criticism. But I like analysis. It's an interesting take you've got. But I spot possible holes in your foundations.

Really, where this duscussion stems from was some humor of mine some time back. I got into modding skyrim a little while ago. When I started it, I joked to myself that I ended up on your "people who belong in hell list" for having trangressed upon your moral tenants. Something interesting happened on two fronts as I learned more about modding. I thought about your particular ideals, and I also thought about why I was downloading mods and experimenting as I refined a list of what mods I liked and didn't like, while working with the constraints of console limitations because I'm a peasant.

Let's start by going backwards. I don't particularily care for Lucas's edits because it's just what I refer to as fluff. It's extra for the sake of extra, and it doesn't really add to the core content of the movies. So, for the same reason I don't care for the edits, I'm very picky on what mods I dump on skyrim, because I'm not after "fluff," I'm focused on refinement, as in, taking what's already there and making some additions to that so that what's already there is honed to it's maximum.

Although you're absolutely right, part of the enjoyment in games or media comes from studying strengths and weaknesses. The hole in your reasoning here though is the assumption that we miss out on discussing or experiencing the weaknesses. The core reason I see for many mods being made is because people are aware of a weakness to begin with, but they've taken it a step further into their own hands to fix what they percieve as a weakness. That doesn't negate your view though. I think both are valid for different reasons.

This also stretches onto your thinking of mods acting as a rug sweeper rather than facing up to flaws. I can easily invert that line of thinking and say that when people mod(depending on why of course), they also gain refined knowledge of what they want to see in their games and their tastes about things. They actually like the game enough to put more effort and care into it rather than ditching it for another game down the road that fullfills stuff from the start. And that's because no two games are ever truly alike. Even rip-off games, although clearly being a rip-off, generate different feelings for the player.

The statement about games being good out of the box is also highly counter-intuitive if we're taking your line of reasoning as a stance. If games should just be good out of the box, then there's not much point left in critisizing their flaws, because if devs were extremely focused on "good," there would be little left to discuss or face up to in terms of flaws. However, I know that objectively there's a line somewhere between actual quality development and poor development. Ideally, yes, it'd be peachy if games being released were good out of the box.

I'd also agree that you shouldn't have to mod a game to make it better. But you know, in my time spent listening to mod communities, many people aren't doing the modding because they feel like they have to. They do it for fun, for their own various reasons. In that sense they've gone a bit past the average gamer who plays shit just for fun. They've taken their appreciation or dissatisfaction to an entirely new level.

Another spot you missed. You still are playing games for entertainment purposes. Even if you're not playing the game itself strictly for entertainment alone, your enjoyment comes from analyising the game at an artisitc level and lense. Very much like certain modders, you've taken what you enjoy to another level with you.

And as for movies, I can give you that one, but only half. But only because the ability to edit movies is more difficult than modding. I think that if some new app or tech came out that allowed people to edit movies to the level that you can with games, you'd have a "movie modder" community in no time.

Theoretically they already exist. Ever stumble across music videos on youtube coined as "multi-fandom" Verb? People taking clips from dozens of movies and editing them together into a composite work to tell their own story or create their own feeling? Most are simplistic, others knock it out of the park. Can't forget the meme edits of movies too. Granted those are micro edits, and not the entire movie, but it's the same principle. Some mods alter micro sections of a game.

I will acknowledge the downside of mods though, although it's heavily dual. It is a shame that devs use mod intergration as a means of putting the work into their games to make them run better by letting the communities do the work. But on the other hand, it's also... inspiring I guess, because in those instances it's the communities's manifestation of just how much they love their fandom.

You talk about art, Verb. At its core, art is about emotions, ideas, and expression in any form. I won't say that what all modders do is art. But what some of them do on principle is the same principle as art. They manifest emotions into something. And in reality, some of what they do is art. I've played a few quest mods in skyrim done by the fans. And some of them are either so seamless they either fit into the game like they were there all along, or they tell a unique and thoughtful or just plain up awesome story. And that could have never happened had the game not been modded, because those micro-developers chose that game as a base to tell their story.

I'm certainly not ragging on you that you enjoy an authentic experience. But even that falls on shady ground Verb. What defines an authentic game experience for you? If the devs release a patch to fix an issue, or like they did in the old days, an expansion pack on another disc, does that ruin the baseline authentic experience for you? Or does it just still count as the authentic experience solely because it's the devs who did it?

And if that's the case, why does the title of developer enable so much possible leeway? The only difference between a developer and a modder is that they weren't hired by a conglomorate of people working under a unified name and getting paid for it.

And lastly. Here's some food for thought Verb. I recently watched a Dark Souls challenge video. The game was modded so that every single enemy was replaced with Gwyn. I both laughed my ass off and was superbly inpressed by the guy's devotion to beat the game at that level, especially the starting area. You yourself would never mod the game to do that, and neither would I. And yet through modding I got to witness that absolute spectacle and enjoyed every minute of it.

Again Verb, I'm not arguing that you change your stance because I can indeed understand it. But in certain instances, I can understand why mods are a thing as well. They're the exact same manifestaion of why you treat games like art, but taken in a different direction due to psychology.

I've a bit of a theory. Ever notice how most modders are dudes? I'd say eight out of ten are dudes. (Not just for the big titty mods either). Specifically the ones who fix stuff or try to enhance things. I think why modding in certain circles has cropped up is because it appeals primarily to male psychology and instincts. When you compare men to women, on average men are naturally more inclined to fix, create, or enhance something. I think modding, to a degree is an expression of this average innate trait.

But that's enough for me. Like I said. Not trying to convince you, just offer some thoughts on an intriguing subject.

lol

i'm not over the moon about kazuya, but tekken stuff is welcome i guess. all those moves, goddamn

one thing is for sure to me at this point: mii costumes = HARD DECONFIRM