Quote from: Luciana on June 20, 2015, 08:30:42 PM

Shogun 2, and Empires is really great.

Rome: Total War is a great one to get into.

>Shogun 2
>anything but great

shiggidy

As cool as a lot of stuff is, the 1v1 only combat thing really kills it for me, along with the AI being arguably as retarded as its Rome 2 counterpart.

Quote from: LC on June 21, 2015, 03:31:17 AM

Quote from: Luciana on June 20, 2015, 08:30:42 PM

Shogun 2, and Empires is really great.

Rome: Total War is a great one to get into.

>Shogun 2
>anything but great

shiggidy

As cool as a lot of stuff is, the 1v1 only combat thing really kills it for me, along with the AI being arguably as retarded as its Rome 2 counterpart.

What do you mean by 1v1 only? Multiple players and factions can engage in the same battle.

Quote from: Luciana on June 21, 2015, 11:15:10 AM

Quote from: LC on June 21, 2015, 03:31:17 AM

Quote from: Luciana on June 20, 2015, 08:30:42 PM

Shogun 2, and Empires is really great.

Rome: Total War is a great one to get into.

>Shogun 2
>anything but great

shiggidy

As cool as a lot of stuff is, the 1v1 only combat thing really kills it for me, along with the AI being arguably as retarded as its Rome 2 counterpart.

What do you mean by 1v1 only? Multiple players and factions can engage in the same battle.

Sorry, guess I should have had more clarity.

I meant the actual in game fighting with soldiers. When they run into each other, the only way they can die is 1v1 animations that play out between the two opposing people, and it looks silly a lot of the times when they're just sliding around a bunch of enemies, only for them to finally engage another in a predetermined animation.

In the older games like Medieval 2 (arguably one of the best) and Rome 1, they fought together as a unit in formation, and didn't engage 1v1 always. While it looked less realistic because they could just be randomly hit from behind and the animation would look silly, it did represent more so how a battle would work. They'd work together in formation and could actually get double teamed and screwed over.

Rome 2 had it even worse where formation didn't even matter (as it broke down the moment you attacked), charges never worked because they always stopped right before they hit the enemy, and a bunch of other problems.

The problem is the engine was designed with Empires in mind, and that had guns and not melee. Think of it like this. So instead of games like Rome 1/Medieval 2 where the bridge was old, worn out, and didn't look too pretty, it still got you across the river. It got the job done. Where as Shogun and Rome 2 were just a log tied down by some rope and the moment you stepped on it, you fell under the fucking water. By the time all the patches came out and they tied more rope to the log, they may as well have made the fucking bridge to begin with. The battles were just silly, and the AI was even more retarded than previous installments.

They fixed a lot of the issues in Attila, and it's not just 1v1 anymore, along with an assortment of other issues, but there is no doubt in my mind that the older engine was just better equipped for the style of game they were trying. Let's just hope the new stuff like Total Warhammer, and other various games (I hope for a Medieval 3) will look further into this.


Anyway, sorry for my rant.