Quote from: Prehistoric on July 19, 2017, 04:36:59 PM

well i bit the bullet and finally bought all the parts i'll need. probably putting it together in the next week or so.

i'm less than happy about the price but it's been a long time coming. at the very least, i'll be able to use this thread as evidence that console is ultimately better than PC, and the fact that i'll have a half decent PC will lend me some credibility and objectivity.

thanks to everyone involved

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/gWL2cc

Oh dude.

Why why you build that.
You just flushed $600 down the toilet.

You could have built something twice as powerful for the same price.

Quote from: Prehistoric on July 19, 2017, 05:25:33 PM

Quote from: Ossus on July 19, 2017, 04:57:56 PM

Quote from: Prehistoric on July 19, 2017, 04:36:59 PM

well i bit the bullet and finally bought all the parts i'll need. probably putting it together in the next week or so.

i'm less than happy about the price but it's been a long time coming. at the very least, i'll be able to use this thread as evidence that console is ultimately better than PC, and the fact that i'll have a half decent PC will lend me some credibility and objectivity.

thanks to everyone involved

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/gWL2cc

Oh dude.

Why why you build that.
You just flushed $600 down the toilet.

You could have built something twice as powerful for the same price.

i think someone would have spoken up if that was the case

You built a dual core PC in this, the current year.

I have a PC with pretty much that same loadout, and it can't even run all the features on a two year old distribution of photoshop.

If you were budget shopping you should've bought AMD. Now you've got a PC with massive bottlenecking issues because nobody spoke up to say that you shouldn't buy that Pentium.

Your performance cap is around 4GB RAM and 2GB VRAM. After that it's just dick flexing room.
You skimped where you should have spent, and spent where you should have saved.
Reading through this thread, it looks like everybody recommended parts that they thought were good and affordable instead of parts that work well together.

I'm not trying to disparage you, and I'm not just AMD fanboi-ing either, just saying that you could seriously have gotten much more bang for your buck if you had bought a Quad or 8-core cpu from them. Higher performance in the lower price range is their niche.

Then there's you motherboard choice, which has limited you severely.
At your price point, you wouldn't have lost any performance going for DDR3, and could have gotten more memory and more PCIe slots if you had opted that way, in the same fiscal ballpark.

If you were looking to build at twice the price, a Core i5 would have been a great choice, but Intel processors are usually trash below $300, and using anything other than Core or Xeon is seldom a good idea.

you can safely ignore what he's saying tbh

my only thing is that i'd really only spend the money for a gaming pc if you actually want to play a bunch of games and plan to use it a lot. if it's just for one game and you're not going to use it for anything else i'd say you just wasted your money.

Quote from: Prehistoric on July 19, 2017, 06:05:33 PM

Quote from: Ossus on July 19, 2017, 05:57:51 PM

just so i have some peace of mind, build me a rig that will cost the same with double the power please

Very similar build sporting DDR3, a slight downstep with monetary advantages (especially in this performance range) one more full sized PCIe slot, and an 8-core CPU that I recently installed in a friend's PC (he likes it a lot, it's better than the Core i5 Black I swear by), and a Radeon RX 460 4GB I found priced at 120 CAD (no price population on pcpartpicker since Radeon is flying off the shelves)

CPU comes with a cooler which I have had hands on experience with and can verify it works very well so long as you don't overclock, the case includes a 200mm fan at the front, which creates ample airflow in the cuboid form. Paired with the dual onboard GPU fans you should have no trouble keeping air moving through the case.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/Solonoid/saved/ZyyvK8

The final price of this miniature monster is ~603 CAD, and allows four slots to upgrade your RAM if you decide to buy more later.

Quote from: Prehistoric on July 19, 2017, 06:05:33 PM

Quote from: Ossus on July 19, 2017, 05:57:51 PM

just so i have some peace of mind, build me a rig that will cost the same with double the power please

Very similar build sporting DDR3, a slight downstep with monetary advantages (especially in this performance range) one more full sized PCIe slot, and an 8-core CPU that I recently installed in a friend's PC (he likes it a lot, it's better than the Core i5 Black I swear by), and a Radeon RX 460 4GB I found priced at 120 CAD (no price population on pcpartpicker since Radeon is flying off the shelves)

CPU comes with a cooler which I have had hands on experience with and can verify it works very well so long as you don't overclock, the case includes a 200mm fan at the front, which creates ample airflow in the cuboid form. Paired with the dual onboard GPU fans you should have no trouble keeping air moving through the case.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/Solonoid/saved/ZyyvK8

The final price of this miniature monster is ~603 CAD, and allows four slots to upgrade your RAM if you decide to buy more later.

Quote from: Ossus on July 19, 2017, 05:57:51 PM

That doesn't really prove your original claim. Could you link a build at the same price with twice the performance?

The massive bottlenecking also seems overstated when looking at the reviews and benchmarks. "The Pentium offers around half the performance of a stock i7 7700K for 20 per cent of the cost". Yeah, it's expected to be bit of a bottleneck, but it's still enough to run Witcher 3 or Crysis 3 at 60+ fps on Ultra / Very High, Far Cry Primal and Assassin's Creed Unity at 80+ fps on Ultra, and the Division at over a 110+ fps on Ultra as well (all when paired with a Titan). It might be a bit of a bottleneck, but when it's capable of supporting a very CPU heavy game like Battlefield 1 at 70+ fps on Ultra, even when paired with just a 1060, you've got a solid CPU that won't hold you back much unless you go for really high performance. A "massive bottleneck" is a CPU that limits you to sub 60 fps even when paired with much better GPU's, not one that can achieve these results with recent games on ultra settings. And at such a low price, it's easily one of the best budget CPU's out there.

I agree that he could've saved some cash by going with AMD (as I suggested in one of my earlier posts), but I don't see anything wrong with this build. Hell, even the Rx 470 (which I believe is the closest equivalent to the 1050ti) appears to be even quite a bit more expensive in Canada. Some costs could've still been cut, but this looks like a pretty solid budget build to me. I'd be very surprised if you could put together one that's twice as powerful for the same price.

For $600, he got himself a PC that'll let him play all the games he wants, including some very recent ones at high settings with high framerates. It might not be the most min-maxed build possible, nor will it be great for really demanding tasks like 3D modeling, but it looks solid to me. One of the best low budget CPU's on the market, a good GPU, and components from prominent high quality brands like MSI and EVGA.

I'm not the biggest expert here, but I think it looks pretty good. I'll be happy to concede otherwise, but you're going to have to show some actual results and specific components to prove your point. You can't just say "you should've gone AMD", "you should've grabbed a quad or 8 core" or "you skimmed where you should've spent" without posting some specifics on how this could be improved.

i can tell you right now those 8 cores in that 8350 won't make much of a difference at all in games

that pentium will have better performance in most cases

and with that motherboard you can upgrade to i5/i7 should you choose to in the future as well adding another stick of ram, a better gpu, and a m.2 ssd