Halo: Reach - Review - By me

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halo 1 was mediocre
in some aspects yeah. i agree. this is a pretty general statement though. lots of smaller things that feed into it. thats the kind of stuff im talking about.


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Good read, nonetheless.


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I'd say he understands it fine, for reach at least. Sure, you can't generalise and say that reach was the perfect cookie cutter halo formula, but it was still a good game in it's own right. OP likes it, you don't but because you have a higher body count that... invalidates his experience and opinions?
He didn't say it like that though. He said that it "offers the classic Halo gameplay." It doesn't. I'm allowed to criticize that. I only brought up his stats because he responded to my first post in a weird way. Check a few posts up where I quoted it.
Last Edit: May 09, 2016, 07:03:23 PM by Azumarill


 
 
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I'd say he understands it fine, for reach at least. Sure, you can't generalise and say that reach was the perfect cookie cutter halo formula, but it was still a good game in it's own right. OP likes it, you don't but because you have a higher body count that... invalidates his experience and opinions?
He didn't say it like that though. He said that it "offers the classic Halo gameplay." It doesn't. I'm allowed to criticize that. I only brought up his stats because he responded to my first post in a weird way. Check a few posts up where I quoted it.
Oh I saw that and I don't see any issues there

it's statchecking that is what drew me into this

There are better ways of discussing something with someone than resorting to pulling up stats from a game they played years ago. Address his points and make your own case where you disagree, but you don't need to resort to the lolbadkid arguments that makes discussing multiplayer games a pretty futile endeavour.


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I'd say he understands it fine, for reach at least. Sure, you can't generalise and say that reach was the perfect cookie cutter halo formula, but it was still a good game in it's own right. OP likes it, you don't but because you have a higher body count that... invalidates his experience and opinions?
He didn't say it like that though. He said that it "offers the classic Halo gameplay." It doesn't. I'm allowed to criticize that. I only brought up his stats because he responded to my first post in a weird way. Check a few posts up where I quoted it.
Oh I saw that and I don't see any issues there

it's statchecking that is what drew me into this

There are better ways of discussing something with someone than resorting to pulling up stats from a game they played years ago. Address his points and make your own case where you disagree, but you don't need to resort to the lolbadkid arguments that makes discussing multiplayer games a pretty futile endeavour.
I did do that. Look through the thread and you'll see that I did address his arguments. My only other choice when he says something that fucking stupid is for me to go buy xbox live and reach and challenge him to a "1V1 bro" (lmfao). I had mathematical proof that he was acting like a moron readily available, and you expect me not to use it? Puhhhleeeaaassse. I could have just laughed it off but I don't like it when thumbless retards go around saying things like that.
Last Edit: May 09, 2016, 07:12:12 PM by Azumarill


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That's because there's a direct correlation between how good someone is at Halo and their opinion on the games, usually. I've been around for long enough to be able to tell when I'm speaking to someone who I probably would have held the objective on if I had played against them. Bad Halo players tend to never have anything useful to say about the games beyond things that are extremely obvious. And TBQH I like poking fun at them. it's almost as fun as spawn trapping.
I respectfully disagree. Anybody who is switched on and played several matches in each playlist would have just as good an understanding on playlist loadouts as the next person, regardless of how skilled a player they are inherently. When it comes to things like discussing Power spawn times and fall damage reduction, competitive experience is invariably necessary to have any authority in the discussion, sure, but for something as simple as this you don't need to be one of the top 1,500 Team Objective players to have a reasonable grasp on what playlist had loadouts.
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That's because there's a direct correlation between how good someone is at Halo and their opinion on the games, usually. I've been around for long enough to be able to tell when I'm speaking to someone who I probably would have held the objective on if I had played against them. Bad Halo players tend to never have anything useful to say about the games beyond things that are extremely obvious. And TBQH I like poking fun at them. it's almost as fun as spawn trapping.
I respectfully disagree. Anybody who is switched on and played several matches in each playlist would have just as good an understanding on playlist loadouts as the next person, regardless of how skilled a player they are inherently. When it comes to things like discussing Power spawn times and fall damage reduction, competitive experience is invariably necessary to have any authority in the discussion, sure, but for something as simple as this you don't need to be one of the top 1,500  Team Objective players to have a reasonable grasp on what playlist had loadouts.
Well, that's the thing- he didn't have a reasonable grasp on that. He kept saying weapon loadouts weren't in matchmaking. They were. I don't think my positions here are terribly outlandish. Honestly, I'm surprised you guys are going through all the trouble to defend OP. His review was terrible and he said a ton of things that were false. This forum has never seemed too keen on being a hugbox before, why protect OP from the truth now?
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I'd say he understands it fine, for reach at least. Sure, you can't generalise and say that reach was the perfect cookie cutter halo formula, but it was still a good game in it's own right. OP likes it, you don't but because you have a higher body count that... invalidates his experience and opinions?
He didn't say it like that though. He said that it "offers the classic Halo gameplay." It doesn't. I'm allowed to criticize that. I only brought up his stats because he responded to my first post in a weird way. Check a few posts up where I quoted it.
Oh I saw that and I don't see any issues there

it's statchecking that is what drew me into this

There are better ways of discussing something with someone than resorting to pulling up stats from a game they played years ago. Address his points and make your own case where you disagree, but you don't need to resort to the lolbadkid arguments that makes discussing multiplayer games a pretty futile endeavour.
I did do that. Look through the thread and you'll see that I did address his arguments. My only other choice when he says something that fucking stupid is for me to go buy xbox live and reach and challenge him to a 1V1 bro. I had mathematical proof that he was acting like a moron readily available, and you expect me not to use it? Puhhhleeeaaassse. I could have just laughed it off but I don't like it when thumbless retards go around saying things like that.


Or you could not?

You'll never win someone over with an antagonistic argument, so unless you aren't actually seeking to do anything other than have a spat with someone it's kind of silly.


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halo 1 was mediocre

It hasn't aged well, but the campaign as a whole is better than 5 at least.


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I'd say he understands it fine, for reach at least. Sure, you can't generalise and say that reach was the perfect cookie cutter halo formula, but it was still a good game in it's own right. OP likes it, you don't but because you have a higher body count that... invalidates his experience and opinions?
He didn't say it like that though. He said that it "offers the classic Halo gameplay." It doesn't. I'm allowed to criticize that. I only brought up his stats because he responded to my first post in a weird way. Check a few posts up where I quoted it.
Oh I saw that and I don't see any issues there

it's statchecking that is what drew me into this

There are better ways of discussing something with someone than resorting to pulling up stats from a game they played years ago. Address his points and make your own case where you disagree, but you don't need to resort to the lolbadkid arguments that makes discussing multiplayer games a pretty futile endeavour.
I did do that. Look through the thread and you'll see that I did address his arguments. My only other choice when he says something that fucking stupid is for me to go buy xbox live and reach and challenge him to a 1V1 bro. I had mathematical proof that he was acting like a moron readily available, and you expect me not to use it? Puhhhleeeaaassse. I could have just laughed it off but I don't like it when thumbless retards go around saying things like that.


Or you could not?

You'll never win someone over with an antagonistic argument, so unless you aren't actually seeking to do anything other than have a spat with someone it's kind of silly.
Never say never. Sometimes they get it, shut up, and let me explain where they went wrong. Sometimes they double down on the stupidity and wait for people to come protect them from the truth.
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I'd say he understands it fine, for reach at least. Sure, you can't generalise and say that reach was the perfect cookie cutter halo formula, but it was still a good game in it's own right. OP likes it, you don't but because you have a higher body count that... invalidates his experience and opinions?
He didn't say it like that though. He said that it "offers the classic Halo gameplay." It doesn't. I'm allowed to criticize that. I only brought up his stats because he responded to my first post in a weird way. Check a few posts up where I quoted it.
Oh I saw that and I don't see any issues there

it's statchecking that is what drew me into this

There are better ways of discussing something with someone than resorting to pulling up stats from a game they played years ago. Address his points and make your own case where you disagree, but you don't need to resort to the lolbadkid arguments that makes discussing multiplayer games a pretty futile endeavour.
I did do that. Look through the thread and you'll see that I did address his arguments. My only other choice when he says something that fucking stupid is for me to go buy xbox live and reach and challenge him to a 1V1 bro. I had mathematical proof that he was acting like a moron readily available, and you expect me not to use it? Puhhhleeeaaassse. I could have just laughed it off but I don't like it when thumbless retards go around saying things like that.


Or you could not?

You'll never win someone over with an antagonistic argument, so unless you aren't actually seeking to do anything other than have a spat with someone it's kind of silly.
Never say never. Sometimes they get it, shut up, and let me explain where they went wrong. Sometimes they double down on the stupidity and wait for people to come protect them from the truth.
But again that's a pretty hostile stance to be bringing into a conversation.

What happens if after all of that, you realise that in actual fact you were incorrect in the first place? Hypothetically speaking.

There is a lot to be said for talking to someone politely and as an equal.


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Well, that's the thing- he didn't have a reasonable grasp on that. He kept saying weapon loadouts weren't in matchmaking. They were. I don't think my positions here are terribly outlandish. Honestly, I'm surprised you guys are going through all the trouble to defend OP. His review was terrible and he said a ton of things that were false. This forum has never seemed too keen on being a hugbox before, why protect OP from the truth now?
The post format where he called you out was confusing, as it appeared he was quoting you saying 'I could beat your ass in Halo 2.' My apologies.

My defense of the OP was based on you directly correlating Competitive experience to understanding basic game mechanics, which I disagree with.


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I'd say he understands it fine, for reach at least. Sure, you can't generalise and say that reach was the perfect cookie cutter halo formula, but it was still a good game in it's own right. OP likes it, you don't but because you have a higher body count that... invalidates his experience and opinions?
He didn't say it like that though. He said that it "offers the classic Halo gameplay." It doesn't. I'm allowed to criticize that. I only brought up his stats because he responded to my first post in a weird way. Check a few posts up where I quoted it.
Oh I saw that and I don't see any issues there

it's statchecking that is what drew me into this

There are better ways of discussing something with someone than resorting to pulling up stats from a game they played years ago. Address his points and make your own case where you disagree, but you don't need to resort to the lolbadkid arguments that makes discussing multiplayer games a pretty futile endeavour.
I did do that. Look through the thread and you'll see that I did address his arguments. My only other choice when he says something that fucking stupid is for me to go buy xbox live and reach and challenge him to a 1V1 bro. I had mathematical proof that he was acting like a moron readily available, and you expect me not to use it? Puhhhleeeaaassse. I could have just laughed it off but I don't like it when thumbless retards go around saying things like that.


Or you could not?

You'll never win someone over with an antagonistic argument, so unless you aren't actually seeking to do anything other than have a spat with someone it's kind of silly.
Never say never. Sometimes they get it, shut up, and let me explain where they went wrong. Sometimes they double down on the stupidity and wait for people to come protect them from the truth.
But again that's a pretty hostile stance to be bringing into a conversation.

What happens if after all of that, you realise that in actual fact you were incorrect in the first place? Hypothetically speaking.

There is a lot to be said for talking to someone politely and as an equal.
If I were to realize that I were factually incorrect I would apologize for not properly sourcing my information. Or was that a rhetorical question? I think you know better, so it should have been. Idk why you're chastising me for this. He's the one who came at me with that weird "I could beat your ass any day" attitude. Yeaaahhh I was a bit condescending in my first post, maybe I baited him a little bit, but he still said it. AND he's the one who had their facts wrong. Hop off bro.
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I'd say he understands it fine, for reach at least. Sure, you can't generalise and say that reach was the perfect cookie cutter halo formula, but it was still a good game in it's own right. OP likes it, you don't but because you have a higher body count that... invalidates his experience and opinions?
He didn't say it like that though. He said that it "offers the classic Halo gameplay." It doesn't. I'm allowed to criticize that. I only brought up his stats because he responded to my first post in a weird way. Check a few posts up where I quoted it.
Oh I saw that and I don't see any issues there

it's statchecking that is what drew me into this

There are better ways of discussing something with someone than resorting to pulling up stats from a game they played years ago. Address his points and make your own case where you disagree, but you don't need to resort to the lolbadkid arguments that makes discussing multiplayer games a pretty futile endeavour.
I did do that. Look through the thread and you'll see that I did address his arguments. My only other choice when he says something that fucking stupid is for me to go buy xbox live and reach and challenge him to a 1V1 bro. I had mathematical proof that he was acting like a moron readily available, and you expect me not to use it? Puhhhleeeaaassse. I could have just laughed it off but I don't like it when thumbless retards go around saying things like that.


Or you could not?

You'll never win someone over with an antagonistic argument, so unless you aren't actually seeking to do anything other than have a spat with someone it's kind of silly.
Never say never. Sometimes they get it, shut up, and let me explain where they went wrong. Sometimes they double down on the stupidity and wait for people to come protect them from the truth.
But again that's a pretty hostile stance to be bringing into a conversation.

What happens if after all of that, you realise that in actual fact you were incorrect in the first place? Hypothetically speaking.

There is a lot to be said for talking to someone politely and as an equal.
If I were to realize that I were factually incorrect I would apologize for not properly sourcing my information. Or was that a rhetorical question? I think you know better, so it should have been. Idk why you're chastising me for this. He's the one who came at me with that weird "I could beat your ass any day" attitude. Yeaaahhh I was a bit condescending in my first post, maybe I baited him a little bit, but he still said it. AND he's the one who had their facts wrong. Hop off bro.
Rhetorical naturally.

I'm just saying that if you want someone to see your point of view, you won't get it across by needling them. Talk to them, explain why you disagree and be cordial with them.


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that offers the classic Halo gameplay, with the addition of Armor Abilities.
Only insofar as there are guns. Armor abilities weren't the only diverging mechanic. Loadouts alone - There are no loadouts.... I have already mentioned in the review, that people start of with a armor ability, you can not choose weapons or anything. - with were a huge step away from core classic Halo gameplay. Across the board, map design was extremely different too - Yea, the maps were not the best, but Reach did have some really good maps, like paradiso, Spire, Countdown. Map quality is not a feature of classic halo. - (reach's maps were the worst the series had seen by a long shot before halo 4 came out). Then there's the addition of bloom & different player physics. Again... read the whole review, bloom is mentioned,

Maybe you're talking out of your ass because you never really played the good Halo games - I have played every single Halo game (spartan Assault/Strike/Halo Online are jokes so they don't count) , or maybe you have played them and are just bad/retarded - I could beat your ass anyday on Halo 2 Classic, or Reach. , but anyone with half a brain who has played CE/H2/H3 can see that Reach's default multiplayer is almost NOTHING like them. It takes some steps away from them, but is not that different.
what the fuck is this post formatting? are you high?

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There are no loadouts.... I have already mentioned in the review, that people start of with a armor ability, you can not choose weapons or anything.

False. Tons of playlists in Reach where you choose different weapons via loadout menu. Paradiso and Spire were awful. Countdown wasn't terrible but it wasn't good. The only good map in that game was Zealot, and even then they had to remove the space level to make it playable from a competitive standpoint. You couldn't beat me in any Halo game because I'm actually good and you have a bunch of water in your skull where your brain should be.
*Sigh*  Invasion is literally the only mode where you can choose your loadout. You spent way too much time in customs. Paradiso was an awesome, map. It was vehicle focused map. Spire offered many types of engagements.
I could easily beat you.
Invasion was not the only loadout playlist, what the fuck are you talking about? I almost never played custom games. Those maps were fucking garbage.

And, just for the record.

Your Reach page on HTR.
http://legacy.halotracker.com/Reach/ReachStats.aspx?GamerTag=dbd%20halo%20legend

And here's mine.
http://legacy.halotracker.com/Reach/ReachStats.aspx?GamerTag=oh%20typhlosion

Notice a difference? I do. You're terrible.
did you just stat check someone for a forum argument in the year of our lord 2010+3x2

wew
Problem? He's bad and I can prove it with math. It's relevant to OP, too, since it's quite obvious that he doesn't really understand the game. Bad player, bad review.
1v1 Bro
Pay for my xbox live and Reach download and sure. If not, I cannot acquiesce. And, once again, the "1v1 me bro" thing is one of those things people say when they're really fucking bad and can't defend themselves with stats or logic.
How come you don't have XBL or Reach?
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that offers the classic Halo gameplay, with the addition of Armor Abilities.
Only insofar as there are guns. Armor abilities weren't the only diverging mechanic. Loadouts alone - There are no loadouts.... I have already mentioned in the review, that people start of with a armor ability, you can not choose weapons or anything. - with were a huge step away from core classic Halo gameplay. Across the board, map design was extremely different too - Yea, the maps were not the best, but Reach did have some really good maps, like paradiso, Spire, Countdown. Map quality is not a feature of classic halo. - (reach's maps were the worst the series had seen by a long shot before halo 4 came out). Then there's the addition of bloom & different player physics. Again... read the whole review, bloom is mentioned,

Maybe you're talking out of your ass because you never really played the good Halo games - I have played every single Halo game (spartan Assault/Strike/Halo Online are jokes so they don't count) , or maybe you have played them and are just bad/retarded - I could beat your ass anyday on Halo 2 Classic, or Reach. , but anyone with half a brain who has played CE/H2/H3 can see that Reach's default multiplayer is almost NOTHING like them. It takes some steps away from them, but is not that different.
what the fuck is this post formatting? are you high?

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There are no loadouts.... I have already mentioned in the review, that people start of with a armor ability, you can not choose weapons or anything.

False. Tons of playlists in Reach where you choose different weapons via loadout menu. Paradiso and Spire were awful. Countdown wasn't terrible but it wasn't good. The only good map in that game was Zealot, and even then they had to remove the space level to make it playable from a competitive standpoint. You couldn't beat me in any Halo game because I'm actually good and you have a bunch of water in your skull where your brain should be.
*Sigh*  Invasion is literally the only mode where you can choose your loadout. You spent way too much time in customs. Paradiso was an awesome, map. It was vehicle focused map. Spire offered many types of engagements.
I could easily beat you.
Invasion was not the only loadout playlist, what the fuck are you talking about? I almost never played custom games. Those maps were fucking garbage.

And, just for the record.

Your Reach page on HTR.
http://legacy.halotracker.com/Reach/ReachStats.aspx?GamerTag=dbd%20halo%20legend

And here's mine.
http://legacy.halotracker.com/Reach/ReachStats.aspx?GamerTag=oh%20typhlosion

Notice a difference? I do. You're terrible.
did you just stat check someone for a forum argument in the year of our lord 2010+3x2

wew
Problem? He's bad and I can prove it with math. It's relevant to OP, too, since it's quite obvious that he doesn't really understand the game. Bad player, bad review.
1v1 Bro
Pay for my xbox live and Reach download and sure. If not, I cannot acquiesce. And, once again, the "1v1 me bro" thing is one of those things people say when they're really fucking bad and can't defend themselves with stats or logic.
Wow... why don't you have XBL or Reach?
I had a disc copy of Reach from when it came out but I dunno where it is now. I haven't had xbox live in a little over a year because I don't play console games anymore.


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that offers the classic Halo gameplay, with the addition of Armor Abilities.
Only insofar as there are guns. Armor abilities weren't the only diverging mechanic. Loadouts alone - There are no loadouts.... I have already mentioned in the review, that people start of with a armor ability, you can not choose weapons or anything. - with were a huge step away from core classic Halo gameplay. Across the board, map design was extremely different too - Yea, the maps were not the best, but Reach did have some really good maps, like paradiso, Spire, Countdown. Map quality is not a feature of classic halo. - (reach's maps were the worst the series had seen by a long shot before halo 4 came out). Then there's the addition of bloom & different player physics. Again... read the whole review, bloom is mentioned,

Maybe you're talking out of your ass because you never really played the good Halo games - I have played every single Halo game (spartan Assault/Strike/Halo Online are jokes so they don't count) , or maybe you have played them and are just bad/retarded - I could beat your ass anyday on Halo 2 Classic, or Reach. , but anyone with half a brain who has played CE/H2/H3 can see that Reach's default multiplayer is almost NOTHING like them. It takes some steps away from them, but is not that different.
what the fuck is this post formatting? are you high?

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There are no loadouts.... I have already mentioned in the review, that people start of with a armor ability, you can not choose weapons or anything.

False. Tons of playlists in Reach where you choose different weapons via loadout menu. Paradiso and Spire were awful. Countdown wasn't terrible but it wasn't good. The only good map in that game was Zealot, and even then they had to remove the space level to make it playable from a competitive standpoint. You couldn't beat me in any Halo game because I'm actually good and you have a bunch of water in your skull where your brain should be.
*Sigh*  Invasion is literally the only mode where you can choose your loadout. You spent way too much time in customs. Paradiso was an awesome, map. It was vehicle focused map. Spire offered many types of engagements.
I could easily beat you.
Invasion was not the only loadout playlist, what the fuck are you talking about? I almost never played custom games. Those maps were fucking garbage.

And, just for the record.

Your Reach page on HTR.
http://legacy.halotracker.com/Reach/ReachStats.aspx?GamerTag=dbd%20halo%20legend

And here's mine.
http://legacy.halotracker.com/Reach/ReachStats.aspx?GamerTag=oh%20typhlosion

Notice a difference? I do. You're terrible.
did you just stat check someone for a forum argument in the year of our lord 2010+3x2

wew
Problem? He's bad and I can prove it with math. It's relevant to OP, too, since it's quite obvious that he doesn't really understand the game. Bad player, bad review.
1v1 Bro
Pay for my xbox live and Reach download and sure. If not, I cannot acquiesce. And, once again, the "1v1 me bro" thing is one of those things people say when they're really fucking bad and can't defend themselves with stats or logic.
Wow... why don't you have XBL or Reach?
I had a disc copy of Reach from when it came out but I dunno where it is now. I haven't had xbox live in a little over a year because I don't play console games anymore.
Ah.


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Listen, reach wasn't horrible (When compared to H4). But it can't hold a candle to CE-3. Shit, even 5 is better than reach.


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I liked Reach

Then again, I did stop playing it as soon as I got Bad Company 2 so eh. Custom Games were my only draw for the series in the multiplayer side of things.