Halo 5's ranking is BS

Sprungli · January 01, 2015, 09:56:19 AM

The ranking system has no rhyme or reason to it at all, and it's ridiculously harsh. If I lose a game (whilst still getting 27 kills, 9 assists and only 7 deaths) it deducts 14 points, but if I win (with similar stats) it gives me ONE point. That's not right.

Someone explain how this guy (Gold 3)

Is ranked so much higher than me (Silver 1)

If it's supposed to be baed off wins/losses it's broken, if it's supposed to be based off of personal stats (which it should be) it's broken to the point it's Battlefield 4 at launch.

Oh · January 01, 2015, 09:57:44 AM

All I know is my number under the skull is 10, no idea what it means.

Sprungli · January 01, 2015, 10:07:45 AM

Quote from: Simseo on January 01, 2015, 09:57:44 AM

All I know is my number under the skull is 10, no idea what it means.

It's your KDA ratio (Kills/Deaths/Assists), like a K/D but better. Mine would be so much higher if i'd been better in my first few matches, I had to drag it up from -5.7 to +5

gats · January 01, 2015, 10:34:19 AM

>2015
>Still playing Halo

Ásgeirr · January 01, 2015, 10:38:18 AM

how many ranks are there?

Coco · January 01, 2015, 10:45:20 AM

Quote from: Ossku on January 01, 2015, 10:38:18 AM

how many ranks are there?

Iron->Bronze->Silver->Gold->Onyx->Semi Pro->Pro
Each rank has 3 tiers. Semi Pro and Pro have numbers instead, which I think are based on where you stand globally, so you only advance when you're better than a certain percentage of the world.

Mr. Admirals · January 01, 2015, 10:55:59 AM

If you're referring to your SR. It's based off of time played in the game for the Beta.

Word Wizard · January 01, 2015, 11:05:33 AM

Quote from: Mr. Admirals on January 01, 2015, 10:55:59 AM

If you're referring to your SR. It's based off of time played in the game for the Beta.

No he was showing the kda stats and w/l with the picture. The guy that's negative is gold and Sprungli is silver, even with better stats.

Mr. Admirals · January 01, 2015, 11:49:51 AM

Quote from: Sly Instinct on January 01, 2015, 11:05:33 AM

Quote from: Mr. Admirals on January 01, 2015, 10:55:59 AM
If you're referring to your SR. It's based off of time played in the game for the Beta.
No he was showing the kda stats and w/l with the picture. The guy that's negative is gold and Sprungli is silver, even with better stats.

My mistake. Yes, the ranking system is based off of wins, not on personal skill. Which is how it should be. It promotes teamwork. Now, if he just got the luck of the draw, his shitty skill will drag his team down, and he'll have a lot of trouble getting past Gold.

big dog · January 01, 2015, 12:19:42 PM

I dislike how it's just based on wins. It should also take into account personal performance.

True Turquoise · January 01, 2015, 12:24:15 PM

Quote from: Ossku on January 01, 2015, 10:38:18 AM

how many ranks are there?

8 excluding the 3 tiers in each one

RadicalClass32 · January 01, 2015, 12:35:34 PM

Quote from: goootsby on January 01, 2015, 10:34:19 AM

>2015
>Still playing Halo

>MCC

Mr. Admirals · January 01, 2015, 12:40:31 PM

Quote from: Fedorekd on January 01, 2015, 12:19:42 PM

I dislike how it's just based on wins. It should also take into account personal performance.

It does to an extent when awarding Performance Points.

Hahahaha very funny Zonda · January 01, 2015, 02:48:17 PM

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nosejob · January 01, 2015, 03:03:21 PM

Didn't you say you lost most of your placement games? That probably set you on the wrong foot.

Coco · January 01, 2015, 04:38:51 PM

The game probably knows how much you liked Reach, and decided to put you in your place.

Sprungli · January 01, 2015, 05:54:23 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on January 01, 2015, 03:03:21 PM

Didn't you say you lost most of your placement games? That probably set you on the wrong foot.

Yeah, half of them. And six since. But in the last 15 games i've won, and by a significant margin.

Sprungli · January 01, 2015, 05:55:23 PM

Quote from: Cocos on January 01, 2015, 04:38:51 PM

The game probably knows how much you liked Reach, and decided to put you in your place.

If you let the light Reach into you you'd understand

nosejob · January 01, 2015, 05:59:02 PM

Quote from: Sprungli on January 01, 2015, 05:54:23 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on January 01, 2015, 03:03:21 PM
Didn't you say you lost most of your placement games? That probably set you on the wrong foot.
Yeah, half of them. And six since. But in the last 15 games i've won, and by a significant margin.

Well, its too early to call the ranking system out. There's a lot of factors that can go into an ELO based ranking system such as who youre playing against, who you're playing with, what rank you are, what rank they are, how well you did, etc.

A Cheese Potato · January 01, 2015, 06:07:49 PM

I think it starts you off on different ranks depending on how many of your 10 qualifying matches you win. I won 8 out of 10 and I went straight to Gold tier 3

Sprungli · January 01, 2015, 06:31:19 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on January 01, 2015, 05:59:02 PM

Quote from: Sprungli on January 01, 2015, 05:54:23 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on January 01, 2015, 03:03:21 PM
Didn't you say you lost most of your placement games? That probably set you on the wrong foot.
Yeah, half of them. And six since. But in the last 15 games i've won, and by a significant margin.
Well, its too early to call the ranking system out. There's a lot of factors that can go into an ELO based ranking system such as who youre playing against, who you're playing with, what rank you are, what rank they are, how well you did, etc.

But apparently is's a CSR based ranking system

nosejob · January 01, 2015, 06:55:13 PM

Quote from: Sprungli on January 01, 2015, 06:31:19 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on January 01, 2015, 05:59:02 PM
Quote from: Sprungli on January 01, 2015, 05:54:23 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on January 01, 2015, 03:03:21 PM
Didn't you say you lost most of your placement games? That probably set you on the wrong foot.
Yeah, half of them. And six since. But in the last 15 games i've won, and by a significant margin.
Well, its too early to call the ranking system out. There's a lot of factors that can go into an ELO based ranking system such as who youre playing against, who you're playing with, what rank you are, what rank they are, how well you did, etc.
But apparently is's a CSR based ranking system

The name is CSR but it is based off ELO which is used in pretty much every competitive ranking system these days.

aMetroid · January 01, 2015, 10:02:16 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system

This is the rating system that H5 uses

Assassin 11D7 · January 02, 2015, 12:14:03 AM

Quote from: aMetroid on January 01, 2015, 10:02:16 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system

This is the rating system that H5 uses

Except it's not between 2 players, it's between 2 teams. Since the teams shift and are random, the ranking system is moot.

aMetroid · January 02, 2015, 12:20:28 AM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on January 02, 2015, 12:14:03 AM

Quote from: aMetroid on January 01, 2015, 10:02:16 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system

This is the rating system that H5 uses
Except it's not between 2 players, it's between 2 teams. Since the teams shift and are random, the ranking system is moot.

Just showing what it's based off of.

It's not good imo, for instance that guy who OP showed with more deaths than kills only is in the gold range because he got carried up to that.

Mr. Admirals · January 02, 2015, 12:24:11 AM

Quote from: aMetroid on January 02, 2015, 12:20:28 AM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on January 02, 2015, 12:14:03 AM
Quote from: aMetroid on January 01, 2015, 10:02:16 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system

This is the rating system that H5 uses
Except it's not between 2 players, it's between 2 teams. Since the teams shift and are random, the ranking system is moot.
Just showing what it's based off of.

It's not good imo, for instance that guy who OP showed with more deaths than kills only is in the gold range because he got carried up to that.

But how far can he be carried? That's the question.

Just throwing this out here, do you think it would be better if you were placed into a tier based on personal skill (first 10 matches), and then once your placed, it switches over to a win-loss based system?

Assassin 11D7 · January 02, 2015, 12:32:04 AM

Quote from: Mr. Admirals on January 02, 2015, 12:24:11 AM

Quote from: aMetroid on January 02, 2015, 12:20:28 AM
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on January 02, 2015, 12:14:03 AM
Quote from: aMetroid on January 01, 2015, 10:02:16 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system

This is the rating system that H5 uses
Except it's not between 2 players, it's between 2 teams. Since the teams shift and are random, the ranking system is moot.
Just showing what it's based off of.

It's not good imo, for instance that guy who OP showed with more deaths than kills only is in the gold range because he got carried up to that.
But how far can he be carried? That's the question.

Just throwing this out here, do you think it would be better if you were placed into a tier based on personal skill (first 10 matches), and then once your placed, it switches over to a win-loss based system?

People are still going to suck on average those first 10 matches, so it should be designed to not punish you for sucking shit early on. Halo 3's Truskill did that to people iirc.

You can still be carried after those 10 matches. If your team wins, and you did shit (Negative K/D, no assists or objective points), then you should go down in rank or stay the same low rank. If your team sucked shit because, like my experience in Halo always seems to have been, your teammates were moving the thumbsticks with their asses and being buffoons, but you did good, then you should go up in rank/get points.

aMetroid · January 02, 2015, 01:09:23 AM

Quote from: Mr. Admirals on January 02, 2015, 12:24:11 AM

Quote from: aMetroid on January 02, 2015, 12:20:28 AM
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on January 02, 2015, 12:14:03 AM
Quote from: aMetroid on January 01, 2015, 10:02:16 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system

This is the rating system that H5 uses
Except it's not between 2 players, it's between 2 teams. Since the teams shift and are random, the ranking system is moot.
Just showing what it's based off of.

It's not good imo, for instance that guy who OP showed with more deaths than kills only is in the gold range because he got carried up to that.
But how far can he be carried? That's the question.

Just throwing this out here, do you think it would be better if you were placed into a tier based on personal skill (first 10 matches), and then once your placed, it switches over to a win-loss based system?

Well depends on multiple factors honestly and a bit of luck.

Win/Loss would be more effective only for entire premade team. It would still work on the individual level. So if you consistently can find a way to win you are obviously good and should rise in tier.

The issue is there is no way to ever make a perfect ranking system .

Mr. Admirals · January 02, 2015, 01:10:00 AM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on January 02, 2015, 12:32:04 AM

Quote from: Mr. Admirals on January 02, 2015, 12:24:11 AM
Quote from: aMetroid on January 02, 2015, 12:20:28 AM
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on January 02, 2015, 12:14:03 AM
Quote from: aMetroid on January 01, 2015, 10:02:16 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system

This is the rating system that H5 uses
Except it's not between 2 players, it's between 2 teams. Since the teams shift and are random, the ranking system is moot.
Just showing what it's based off of.

It's not good imo, for instance that guy who OP showed with more deaths than kills only is in the gold range because he got carried up to that.
But how far can he be carried? That's the question.

Just throwing this out here, do you think it would be better if you were placed into a tier based on personal skill (first 10 matches), and then once your placed, it switches over to a win-loss based system?
People are still going to suck on average those first 10 matches, so it should be designed to not punish you for sucking shit early on. Halo 3's Truskill did that to people iirc.

You can still be carried after those 10 matches. If your team wins, and you did shit (Negative K/D, no assists or objective points), then you should go down in rank or stay the same low rank. If your team sucked shit because, like my experience in Halo always seems to have been, your teammates were moving the thumbsticks with their asses and being buffoons, but you did good, then you should go up in rank/get points.

My problem with that then is that is then that the game values personal skill more than teamwork. And the key to success for Halo is all about manipulating the enemy spawns and weapons spawns as a team. AKA Map Control.

Assassin 11D7 · January 02, 2015, 01:11:49 AM

Quote from: Mr. Admirals on January 02, 2015, 01:10:00 AM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on January 02, 2015, 12:32:04 AM
Quote from: Mr. Admirals on January 02, 2015, 12:24:11 AM
Quote from: aMetroid on January 02, 2015, 12:20:28 AM
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on January 02, 2015, 12:14:03 AM
Quote from: aMetroid on January 01, 2015, 10:02:16 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system

This is the rating system that H5 uses
Except it's not between 2 players, it's between 2 teams. Since the teams shift and are random, the ranking system is moot.
Just showing what it's based off of.

It's not good imo, for instance that guy who OP showed with more deaths than kills only is in the gold range because he got carried up to that.
But how far can he be carried? That's the question.

Just throwing this out here, do you think it would be better if you were placed into a tier based on personal skill (first 10 matches), and then once your placed, it switches over to a win-loss based system?
People are still going to suck on average those first 10 matches, so it should be designed to not punish you for sucking shit early on. Halo 3's Truskill did that to people iirc.

You can still be carried after those 10 matches. If your team wins, and you did shit (Negative K/D, no assists or objective points), then you should go down in rank or stay the same low rank. If your team sucked shit because, like my experience in Halo always seems to have been, your teammates were moving the thumbsticks with their asses and being buffoons, but you did good, then you should go up in rank/get points.
My problem with that then is that is then that the game values personal skill more than teamwork. And the key to success for Halo is all about manipulating the enemy spawns and weapons spawns as a team. AKA Map Control.

How does it punish teamwork by punishing the people that aren't helping their team and rewarding the people that are helping their team, even if their team sucks?