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What game should I play on stream?

Quake Champions
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Undertale (first time)
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Titanfall 2
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Overwatch
2 (10.5%)
CS:GO (learn how to)
2 (10.5%)
Dark Souls (new series)
4 (21.1%)

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Have you played competitive at all? Are you a silver scrub?
I haven't. I've played less than a dozen games of CS:GO (including offline against bots) altogether and none of them were ranked. Let me write down my thoughts on CS in a bit.

And is Silver the lowest? I'm not big on CS, but I've always been good at FPS games so I don't doubt I could do well with some practice.
Yeah they start from silver 1 but your first rank is variable depending on how good you do in the unranked games beforehand.


 
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My issues with CS can be summed up very quickly. I went into them in detail during my stream today, but I'll give you the shortened version.

1. Inaccurate weapons. I hate them. It's one of my worst pet peeves in shooters. I can understand some bullet spread and definitely some recoil too, but I can't stand how CS does it. Your bullets have enormous spread and are completely random if you fire while walking. I know you can learn the patterns of recoil and deal with them, but even they don't really apply when you're moving fast. In order to be accurate, you need to be pretty much entirely still, tap the fire button and crouch if possible. This even shows in high tiers of players where pros in major tournaments who surprise each other end up doing a lot of spraying and randomness / luck playing a big factor in who comes out on top. Huge negative for me.

2. Pace of the game. It's slow and extremely campy. You don't see anyone for minutes on end and then most fights end in a quick burst. You play the game walking slowly with your crosshair lined up with a door or passage that you expect an enemy to come through. Hugging corners and clipping your head over boxes is a big part of the game's core gameplay and I'm just not a fan of that. Death comes quickly, punishes you hard and has you sit out the next couple of minutes doing nothing. It promotes snail-paced gameplay and campy tactics.

3. The tactics. CS tactics are really not very deep or extremely complicated. It's an asymmetrical game with maps that don't have a lot of verticality and tend to consist of only a few main routes. The CT side swarms out and covers key choke points. The T side spreads out and runs a set-up. Grenades, smokes and flashes are thrown. Callouts are made and the composition of who stands where changes slightly. I haven't even watched all that much competitive CS and even I already see recurring strategies and identical scenarios playing out. There's mindgames and obviously a decent amount of tactics involved, but the thinking required is ultimately pretty limited and in my opinion pretty lackluster.

That said, CS:GO is still a good game. I just don't enjoy these three aspects of it. It's what pushed me away from the game in the past. I want and intend to give it another chance because it can be pretty hype, fun and high adrenaline, but I just feel like it's fundamentally not my thing.


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My issues with CS can be summed up very quickly. I went into them in detail during my stream today, but I'll give you the shortened version.

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1. Inaccurate weapons. I hate them. It's one of my worst pet peeves in shooters. I can understand some bullet spread and definitely some recoil too, but I can't stand how CS does it. Your bullets have enormous spread and are completely random if you fire while walking. I know you can learn the patterns of recoil and deal with them, but even they don't really apply when you're moving fast. In order to be accurate, you need to be pretty much entirely still, tap the fire button and crouch if possible. This even shows in high tiers of players where pros in major tournaments who surprise each other end up doing a lot of spraying and randomness / luck playing a big factor in who comes out on top. Huge negative for me.

2. Pace of the game. It's slow and extremely campy. You don't see anyone for minutes on end and then most fights end in a quick burst. You play the game walking slowly with your crosshair lined up with a door or passage that you expect an enemy to come through. Hugging corners and clipping your head over boxes is a big part of the game's core gameplay and I'm just not a fan of that. Death comes quickly, punishes you hard and has you sit out the next couple of minutes doing nothing. It promotes snail-paced gameplay and campy tactics.

3. The tactics. CS tactics are really not very deep or extremely complicated. It's an asymmetrical game with maps that don't have a lot of verticality and tend to consist of only a few main routes. The CT side swarms out and covers key choke points. The T side spreads out and runs a set-up. Grenades, smokes and flashes are thrown. Callouts are made and the composition of who stands where changes slightly. I haven't even watched all that much competitive CS and even I already see recurring strategies and identical scenarios playing out. There's mindgames and obviously a decent amount of tactics involved, but the thinking required is ultimately pretty limited and in my opinion pretty lackluster.

That said, CS:GO is still a good game. I just don't enjoy these three aspects of it. It's what pushed me away from the game in the past. I want and intend to give it another chance because it can be pretty hype, fun and high adrenaline, but I just feel like it's fundamentally not my thing.
Coming from a arena shooter perspective, its what i expected. Id somewhat disagree on all points though.
I dont wanna be THAT guy but some of this can be attributed to inexperience <.<

Please do try to play competitive though because its the proper experience.
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My issues with CS can be summed up very quickly. I went into them in detail during my stream today, but I'll give you the shortened version.

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1. Inaccurate weapons. I hate them. It's one of my worst pet peeves in shooters. I can understand some bullet spread and definitely some recoil too, but I can't stand how CS does it. Your bullets have enormous spread and are completely random if you fire while walking. I know you can learn the patterns of recoil and deal with them, but even they don't really apply when you're moving fast. In order to be accurate, you need to be pretty much entirely still, tap the fire button and crouch if possible. This even shows in high tiers of players where pros in major tournaments who surprise each other end up doing a lot of spraying and randomness / luck playing a big factor in who comes out on top. Huge negative for me.

2. Pace of the game. It's slow and extremely campy. You don't see anyone for minutes on end and then most fights end in a quick burst. You play the game walking slowly with your crosshair lined up with a door or passage that you expect an enemy to come through. Hugging corners and clipping your head over boxes is a big part of the game's core gameplay and I'm just not a fan of that. Death comes quickly, punishes you hard and has you sit out the next couple of minutes doing nothing. It promotes snail-paced gameplay and campy tactics.

3. The tactics. CS tactics are really not very deep or extremely complicated. It's an asymmetrical game with maps that don't have a lot of verticality and tend to consist of only a few main routes. The CT side swarms out and covers key choke points. The T side spreads out and runs a set-up. Grenades, smokes and flashes are thrown. Callouts are made and the composition of who stands where changes slightly. I haven't even watched all that much competitive CS and even I already see recurring strategies and identical scenarios playing out. There's mindgames and obviously a decent amount of tactics involved, but the thinking required is ultimately pretty limited and in my opinion pretty lackluster.

That said, CS:GO is still a good game. I just don't enjoy these three aspects of it. It's what pushed me away from the game in the past. I want and intend to give it another chance because it can be pretty hype, fun and high adrenaline, but I just feel like it's fundamentally not my thing.
Coming from a arena shooter perspective, its what i expected. Id somewhat disagree on all points though.
I dont wanna be THAT guy but some of this can be attributed to inexperience <.<

Please do try to play competitive though because its the proper experience.
Can you elaborate? I don't think anything I said is incorrect. One of my friends is a CS semi-pro who played in a bunch of tournaments. We've discussed this several times and even he agrees with just about everything I said. I mean, you can disagree with me that these things make the game less fun, but I'm curious where you think I'm just flat-out wrong.

There is a great deal of inaccuracy to the weapons. I don't see how that's wrong to say. Watch any competitve match and you'll see that he vast majority of kills involve someone crouching or standing pretty much entirely still, as doing anything else (with most weapons) turns your shots into a random mess. Up close confrontations are aiming at the other person's chest area, dragging your mouse down to compensate for recoil and hoping for the best. There are ways to manage the randomness better (crouching, tapping left/right, standing still) but I simply don't like them.

The game is slow. That's even more of a fact than the first point. Time spent firing at people or being fired at is a really small portion of the game. Most of it is spent walking in between chokepoints and keeping your crosshair at a doorway. I again don't see how that is wrong to say. This is a pro match between two top teams. Click just about anywhere on the timeline and you're almost guaranteed to see people standing around, peaking over boxes or around corners, or just holding down areas of the map or slowly advancing through them until they run into a person on the other side doing the same.

The tactics is something I can concede I know the least about and might be wrong. I've just followed the esports scene for quite a while and never really found anything to prove me wrong. There's a lot of mindgames and faking going on, but that's all at the team level which is problematic if you don't have a team to play and coordinate with. I feel like there's not that much going on at the individual level and even watching Launder's Playbreakers videos on supposedly incredible / brilliant plays are not all that impressive to me.

I'm not attacking the game. It's cool to watch at a high level and it does take a lot of coordination, team strategy and aim skills. There's no denying any of that and for those reasons I do want to get into the game more. But to me, having to deal with the inaccuracy of guns is detrimental to the gunplay, the slow and campy pace of the game is kind of boring, and the relative shallowness of individual tactics is kind of offputting.

I plan on playing the game again in the futre and stream myself learning it. I'd appreciate your input. :)


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My issues with CS can be summed up very quickly. I went into them in detail during my stream today, but I'll give you the shortened version.

Spoiler
1. Inaccurate weapons. I hate them. It's one of my worst pet peeves in shooters. I can understand some bullet spread and definitely some recoil too, but I can't stand how CS does it. Your bullets have enormous spread and are completely random if you fire while walking. I know you can learn the patterns of recoil and deal with them, but even they don't really apply when you're moving fast. In order to be accurate, you need to be pretty much entirely still, tap the fire button and crouch if possible. This even shows in high tiers of players where pros in major tournaments who surprise each other end up doing a lot of spraying and randomness / luck playing a big factor in who comes out on top. Huge negative for me.

2. Pace of the game. It's slow and extremely campy. You don't see anyone for minutes on end and then most fights end in a quick burst. You play the game walking slowly with your crosshair lined up with a door or passage that you expect an enemy to come through. Hugging corners and clipping your head over boxes is a big part of the game's core gameplay and I'm just not a fan of that. Death comes quickly, punishes you hard and has you sit out the next couple of minutes doing nothing. It promotes snail-paced gameplay and campy tactics.

3. The tactics. CS tactics are really not very deep or extremely complicated. It's an asymmetrical game with maps that don't have a lot of verticality and tend to consist of only a few main routes. The CT side swarms out and covers key choke points. The T side spreads out and runs a set-up. Grenades, smokes and flashes are thrown. Callouts are made and the composition of who stands where changes slightly. I haven't even watched all that much competitive CS and even I already see recurring strategies and identical scenarios playing out. There's mindgames and obviously a decent amount of tactics involved, but the thinking required is ultimately pretty limited and in my opinion pretty lackluster.

That said, CS:GO is still a good game. I just don't enjoy these three aspects of it. It's what pushed me away from the game in the past. I want and intend to give it another chance because it can be pretty hype, fun and high adrenaline, but I just feel like it's fundamentally not my thing.
Coming from a arena shooter perspective, its what i expected. Id somewhat disagree on all points though.
I dont wanna be THAT guy but some of this can be attributed to inexperience <.<

Please do try to play competitive though because its the proper experience.
Can you elaborate? I don't think anything I said is incorrect. One of my friends is a CS semi-pro who played in a bunch of tournaments. We've discussed this several times and even he agrees with just about everything I said. I mean, you can disagree with me that these things make the game less fun, but I'm curious where you think I'm just flat-out wrong.

There is a great deal of inaccuracy to the weapons. I don't see how that's wrong to say. Watch any competitve match and you'll see that he vast majority of kills involve someone crouching or standing pretty much entirely still, as doing anything else (with most weapons) turns your shots into a random mess. Up close confrontations are aiming at the other person's chest area, dragging your mouse down to compensate for recoil and hoping for the best. There are ways to manage the randomness better (crouching, tapping left/right, standing still) but I simply don't like them.

The game is slow. That's even more of a fact than the first point. Time spent firing at people or being fired at is a really small portion of the game. Most of it is spent walking in between chokepoints and keeping your crosshair at a doorway. I again don't see how that is wrong to say. This is a pro match between two top teams. Click just about anywhere on the timeline and you're almost guaranteed to see people standing around, peaking over boxes or around corners, or just holding down areas of the map or slowly advancing through them until they run into a person on the other side doing the same.

The tactics is something I can concede I know the least about and might be wrong. I've just followed the esports scene for quite a while and never really found anything to prove me wrong. There's a lot of mindgames and faking going on, but that's all at the team level which is problematic if you don't have a team to play and coordinate with. I feel like there's not that much going on at the individual level and even watching Launder's Playbreakers videos on supposedly incredible / brilliant plays are not all that impressive to me.

I'm not attacking the game. It's cool to watch at a high level and it does take a lot of coordination, team strategy and aim skills. There's no denying any of that and for those reasons I do want to get into the game more. But to me, having to deal with the inaccuracy of guns is detrimental to the gunplay, the slow and campy pace of the game is kind of boring, and the relative shallowness of individual tactics is kind of offputting.

I plan on playing the game again in the futre and stream myself learning it. I'd appreciate your input. :)
Waiiiiiiiiiiiit i dont think youre flatout wrong .-. your points are valid. I just dont fully agree.
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Why you no Titanfall 2?


 
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Waiiiiiiiiiiiit i dont think youre flatout wrong .-. your points are valid. I just dont fully agree.
Fair enough! As I said, I think my points are accurate and truthful, but I know that this doesn't necessarily make the game any less fun to some.

Also, how good are you? Because I need a coach. :p


 
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I've played Titanfall 2 several times but not in the last week. I even have my own Network and a happy hour and shit. I'm new to the game and it seems to be going well, but I can always do with more advice.
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Why you no Titanfall 2?
I've played Titanfall 2 several times but not in the last week. I even have my own Network and a happy hour and shit. I'm new to the game and it seems to be going well, but I can always do with more advice.

Not sure if I have any advice worth taking tbh. I'd be interested in watching you play though.


 
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Counter Strike is more "realistic" in the sense that it really only takes a few bullets to kill somebody. It's not like Quake where you have to shoot a guy with a rocket launcher 4 times lmao. Especially when it comes to bullet spread, you should be more accurate when you're standing still and crouching. Again, it's not Quake, you can't run around at 100mph jumping all over the place and have pinpoint accuracy.

I honestly haven't played Counter Strike since way back when, I only played this new one for a little while but it's basically the same as the old version(s).
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Why you no Titanfall 2?
I've played Titanfall 2 several times but not in the last week. I even have my own Network and a happy hour and shit. I'm new to the game and it seems to be going well, but I can always do with more advice.
What's your loadout fam


 
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I've played Titanfall 2 several times but not in the last week. I even have my own Network and a happy hour and shit. I'm new to the game and it seems to be going well, but I can always do with more advice.
What's your loadout fam
I don't have a specific one but have just been trying stuff out. I've been using the CAR, Spitfire LMG, Kraber and then some SMG's. I usually use Tone as my titan and like the perk that heals you and gives a speedboost.


 
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Counter Strike is more "realistic" in the sense that it really only takes a few bullets to kill somebody. It's not like Quake where you have to shoot a guy with a rocket launcher 4 times lmao. Especially when it comes to bullet spread, you should be more accurate when you're standing still and crouching. Again, it's not Quake, you can't run around at 100mph jumping all over the place and have pinpoint accuracy.

I honestly haven't played Counter Strike since way back when, I only played this new one for a little while but it's basically the same as the old version(s).
Yeah, I know all of that and I agree. Like I said, I just don't think it's all that fun to play. I prefer fast and twitchy over slow and campy, full accuracy and precision over a certain degree of randomness (which can be managed to a certain degree), and individual skill and tactics over team level coordination. I'm not bashing CS. It's just a different type of the FPS that I enjoy less. It's like people who prefer faster and arcadey racing games with drifting and nitrous over the more lifelike racing sims, or the faster and more intense fighting games like Tekken and Street Fighter over the slower and more methodical / realistic fighting games like UFC.
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Why you no Titanfall 2?
I've played Titanfall 2 several times but not in the last week. I even have my own Network and a happy hour and shit. I'm new to the game and it seems to be going well, but I can always do with more advice.
What's your loadout fam
I don't have a specific one but have just been trying stuff out. I've been using the CAR, Spitfire LMG, Kraber and then some SMG's. I usually use Tone as my titan and like the perk that heals you and gives a speedboost.
>playing meta loadouts

You're probably using the most effective loadout in the game right now. If you like the Kraber, they updated the game so the Wingman Elite revolver can be equipped as a primary. It performs like a Kraber except only killing on a headshot (2 to the body), but is projectile. The EPG is basically an arena shooter style rocket launcher and it's really fun to use.

Tone's a pretty well rounded Titan if a bit bland. I'm fond of Legion, Scorch and Northstar myself.


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Why you no Titanfall 2?
I've played Titanfall 2 several times but not in the last week. I even have my own Network and a happy hour and shit. I'm new to the game and it seems to be going well, but I can always do with more advice.
What's your loadout fam
I don't have a specific one but have just been trying stuff out. I've been using the CAR, Spitfire LMG, Kraber and then some SMG's. I usually use Tone as my titan and like the perk that heals you and gives a speedboost.
>playing meta loadouts

You're probably using the most effective loadout in the game right now. If you like the Kraber, they updated the game so the Wingman Elite revolver can be equipped as a primary. It performs like a Kraber except only killing on a headshot (2 to the body), but is projectile. The EPG is basically an arena shooter style rocket launcher and it's really fun to use.

Tone's a pretty well rounded Titan if a bit bland. I'm fond of Legion, Scorch and Northstar myself.

>Playing Titanfall 2 when 1 is better and still populated


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Why you no Titanfall 2?
I've played Titanfall 2 several times but not in the last week. I even have my own Network and a happy hour and shit. I'm new to the game and it seems to be going well, but I can always do with more advice.
What's your loadout fam
I don't have a specific one but have just been trying stuff out. I've been using the CAR, Spitfire LMG, Kraber and then some SMG's. I usually use Tone as my titan and like the perk that heals you and gives a speedboost.
>playing meta loadouts

You're probably using the most effective loadout in the game right now. If you like the Kraber, they updated the game so the Wingman Elite revolver can be equipped as a primary. It performs like a Kraber except only killing on a headshot (2 to the body), but is projectile. The EPG is basically an arena shooter style rocket launcher and it's really fun to use.

Tone's a pretty well rounded Titan if a bit bland. I'm fond of Legion, Scorch and Northstar myself.

>Playing Titanfall 2 when 1 is better and still populated
>restricting yourself to one game
1 has a subpar FOV, no grenadier weapons, no slide, no grapple, no campaign, and no scorch anyway.


 
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Why you no Titanfall 2?
I've played Titanfall 2 several times but not in the last week. I even have my own Network and a happy hour and shit. I'm new to the game and it seems to be going well, but I can always do with more advice.
What's your loadout fam
I don't have a specific one but have just been trying stuff out. I've been using the CAR, Spitfire LMG, Kraber and then some SMG's. I usually use Tone as my titan and like the perk that heals you and gives a speedboost.
>playing meta loadouts

You're probably using the most effective loadout in the game right now. If you like the Kraber, they updated the game so the Wingman Elite revolver can be equipped as a primary. It performs like a Kraber except only killing on a headshot (2 to the body), but is projectile. The EPG is basically an arena shooter style rocket launcher and it's really fun to use.

Tone's a pretty well rounded Titan if a bit bland. I'm fond of Legion, Scorch and Northstar myself.
I'm just trying out all different stuff. No clue what's meta or not, even though people have told me SMGs are particularly powerful.


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Why you no Titanfall 2?
I've played Titanfall 2 several times but not in the last week. I even have my own Network and a happy hour and shit. I'm new to the game and it seems to be going well, but I can always do with more advice.
What's your loadout fam
I don't have a specific one but have just been trying stuff out. I've been using the CAR, Spitfire LMG, Kraber and then some SMG's. I usually use Tone as my titan and like the perk that heals you and gives a speedboost.
>playing meta loadouts

You're probably using the most effective loadout in the game right now. If you like the Kraber, they updated the game so the Wingman Elite revolver can be equipped as a primary. It performs like a Kraber except only killing on a headshot (2 to the body), but is projectile. The EPG is basically an arena shooter style rocket launcher and it's really fun to use.

Tone's a pretty well rounded Titan if a bit bland. I'm fond of Legion, Scorch and Northstar myself.
I'm just trying out all different stuff. No clue what's meta or not, even though people have told me SMGs are particularly powerful.
Yeah, the SMGs more or less instakill, have laser accuracy and are hitscan so they're pretty op on PC. Console side it's the Assault Rifles because of their Aim Assist.


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Waiiiiiiiiiiiit i dont think youre flatout wrong .-. your points are valid. I just dont fully agree.
Fair enough! As I said, I think my points are accurate and truthful, but I know that this doesn't necessarily make the game any less fun to some.

Also, how good are you? Because I need a coach. :p
Above average i suppose, im only really lacking in aim currently because of my shitty mouse. Master Guardian Elite in competitive.
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Waiiiiiiiiiiiit i dont think youre flatout wrong .-. your points are valid. I just dont fully agree.
Fair enough! As I said, I think my points are accurate and truthful, but I know that this doesn't necessarily make the game any less fun to some.

Also, how good are you? Because I need a coach. :p
Above average i suppose, im only really lacking in aim currently because of my shitty mouse. Master Guardian Elite in competitive.
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It ain't no global elite, but it'll do. You're hired. When do we start?


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Waiiiiiiiiiiiit i dont think youre flatout wrong .-. your points are valid. I just dont fully agree.
Fair enough! As I said, I think my points are accurate and truthful, but I know that this doesn't necessarily make the game any less fun to some.

Also, how good are you? Because I need a coach. :p
Above average i suppose, im only really lacking in aim currently because of my shitty mouse. Master Guardian Elite in competitive.
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It ain't no global elite, but it'll do. You're hired. When do we start?
Anytime, though now that i think back, i think you have to be a certain casual rank before you can go to comp


 
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Waiiiiiiiiiiiit i dont think youre flatout wrong .-. your points are valid. I just dont fully agree.
Fair enough! As I said, I think my points are accurate and truthful, but I know that this doesn't necessarily make the game any less fun to some.

Also, how good are you? Because I need a coach. :p
Above average i suppose, im only really lacking in aim currently because of my shitty mouse. Master Guardian Elite in competitive.
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It ain't no global elite, but it'll do. You're hired. When do we start?
Anytime, though now that i think back, i think you have to be a certain casual rank before you can go to comp
I'll play CS if you're in my stream.


 
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I tried streaming CS last night and got terrible in-game performance despite me being able to play much more demanding games like Battlefield 1 or Doom 2016 at the highest settings and on 144fps without any issues whatsoever.


 
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I've made like $3.50 off this in a week. LET'S GOOOOO

Also, submitted some clips of me playing to a pretty big channel of Twitch Highlights for Quake, so it'd be pretty cool if these ended up on there.

https://clips.twitch.tv/LaconicCleverSquidPeanutButterJellyTime

https://clips.twitch.tv/PlausibleBadPigGrammarKing

https://clips.twitch.tv/DifficultUgliestNikudonNotLikeThis

https://clips.twitch.tv/EasyYawningIguanaYee