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Master difficulty caught me off guard, I actually have to plan out how I'm going to fight that final battle now.

Its a pretty easy fight.

On my first run Waver gave jing ke and himself like 12 defense buffs so I was fighting an assassin with the tankiness of Jeanne and no beserker.

And thats why you kill Waver off in one round.

I've found that going Lu bu -> jing ke -> waver works well because waver doesn't do enough damage as a support character to take out your entire team with his defense buffs.

The only way you're taking out waver in one turn is if you're running a BBB or BBR.

I'm running an ASB.

One excaliblast takes care of Lu Bu, then a single buster card takes care of Waver after that, Jin Ke is just another buster card after Waver.

Excalibur doesn't do as much damage as you think it does.

Yes I know, thats why I buff it.

Dual charisma + master buff would only make it hit for around 22k. Waver has 60k without buffs.

I have Ushi's buff, and Saber's other buff to go with it, 4 buffs in total, including a buster chain buff, which I almost always get.

That's because you're running a burst team. I only have one good berserker so that set up isn't viable for me.

ASB is more of a crit/arts hybrid.

I'm running BRS, its not much of a burst team, Saber does more damage than my lancelot.

And how many times have you managed to do this? You'd have to have everything go perfectly up until the last round to get this + land a triple B on the first turn in order to do this. Derping around with arts cards chains in round two will get your lead killed unless you're lucky enough to have the chimera sit around and buff himself for three turns straight.

My string of buffs is much greater than yours and even with the burst chain bonus he'd be sitting at around 6-12k hp. This is with Waver not using the string of damage reduction buffs he likes to throw at himself as well. Even then that's to much remaining hp for you to be able to finish him off with a single burst attack in the next round unless you manage to land a crit, which if you've used a burst chain in the round prior, you wont be getting.

We're also operating under the assumption that attack rating = damage dealt. Which it doesn't.

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Master difficulty caught me off guard, I actually have to plan out how I'm going to fight that final battle now.

Its a pretty easy fight.

On my first run Waver gave jing ke and himself like 12 defense buffs so I was fighting an assassin with the tankiness of Jeanne and no beserker.

And thats why you kill Waver off in one round.

I've found that going Lu bu -> jing ke -> waver works well because waver doesn't do enough damage as a support character to take out your entire team with his defense buffs.

The only way you're taking out waver in one turn is if you're running a BBB or BBR.

I'm running an ASB.

One excaliblast takes care of Lu Bu, then a single buster card takes care of Waver after that, Jin Ke is just another buster card after Waver.

Excalibur doesn't do as much damage as you think it does.

Yes I know, thats why I buff it.

Dual charisma + master buff would only make it hit for around 22k. Waver has 60k without buffs.

I have Ushi's buff, and Saber's other buff to go with it, 4 buffs in total, including a buster chain buff, which I almost always get.

That's because you're running a burst team. I only have one good berserker so that set up isn't viable for me.

ASB is more of a crit/arts hybrid.

I'm running BRS, its not much of a burst team, Saber does more damage than my lancelot.

And how many times have you managed to do this? You'd have to have everything go perfectly up until the last round to get this + land a triple B on the first turn in order to do this. Derping around with arts cards chains in round two will get your lead killed unless you're lucky enough to have the chimera sit around and buff himself for three turns straight.

My string of buffs is much greater than yours and even with the burst chain bonus he'd be sitting at around 6-12k hp. This is with Waver not using the string of damage reduction buffs he likes to throw at himself as well. Even then that's to much remaining hp for you to be able to finish him off with a single burst attack in the next round unless you manage to land a crit, which if you've used a burst chain in the round prior, you wont be getting.

We're also operating under the assumption that attack rating = damage dealt. Which it doesn't.

I've managed to do it perfectly all but one time, which means I took Lu Bu and Waver in one turn each of those times.

So how are you building NP if you're getting 3 burst cards almost every turn?

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Master difficulty caught me off guard, I actually have to plan out how I'm going to fight that final battle now.

Its a pretty easy fight.

On my first run Waver gave jing ke and himself like 12 defense buffs so I was fighting an assassin with the tankiness of Jeanne and no beserker.

And thats why you kill Waver off in one round.

I've found that going Lu bu -> jing ke -> waver works well because waver doesn't do enough damage as a support character to take out your entire team with his defense buffs.

The only way you're taking out waver in one turn is if you're running a BBB or BBR.

I'm running an ASB.

One excaliblast takes care of Lu Bu, then a single buster card takes care of Waver after that, Jin Ke is just another buster card after Waver.

Excalibur doesn't do as much damage as you think it does.

Yes I know, thats why I buff it.

Dual charisma + master buff would only make it hit for around 22k. Waver has 60k without buffs.

I have Ushi's buff, and Saber's other buff to go with it, 4 buffs in total, including a buster chain buff, which I almost always get.

That's because you're running a burst team. I only have one good berserker so that set up isn't viable for me.

ASB is more of a crit/arts hybrid.

I'm running BRS, its not much of a burst team, Saber does more damage than my lancelot.

And how many times have you managed to do this? You'd have to have everything go perfectly up until the last round to get this + land a triple B on the first turn in order to do this. Derping around with arts cards chains in round two will get your lead killed unless you're lucky enough to have the chimera sit around and buff himself for three turns straight.

My string of buffs is much greater than yours and even with the burst chain bonus he'd be sitting at around 6-12k hp. This is with Waver not using the string of damage reduction buffs he likes to throw at himself as well. Even then that's to much remaining hp for you to be able to finish him off with a single burst attack in the next round unless you manage to land a crit, which if you've used a burst chain in the round prior, you wont be getting.

We're also operating under the assumption that attack rating = damage dealt. Which it doesn't.

I've managed to do it perfectly all but one time, which means I took Lu Bu and Waver in one turn each of those times.

So how are you building NP if you're getting 3 burst cards almost every turn?

The first round I take out 2 of the Chimeras, the 3rd I use to build my NP, if thats not enough the 2nd round will give me a chance at another art card, and I rarely ever take a lot of damage to a single servant by the end of it, so once I get to the third round I'm set for a buffed Excaliblast with a buster chain leaving me to only deal with Jin Ke.

Whenever I go through the enemy focuses down one servant at a time, usually Gil -> Lancelot -> Arturia so if I fuck around with trying to build NP Gil will most likely be dead by the end of round 2.

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Updated with details for the Nero event.

Master difficulty caught me off guard, I actually have to plan out how I'm going to fight that final battle now.

Its a pretty easy fight.

On my first run Waver gave jing ke and himself like 12 defense buffs so I was fighting an assassin with the tankiness of Jeanne and no beserker.

And thats why you kill Waver off in one round.

I've found that going Lu bu -> jing ke -> waver works well because waver doesn't do enough damage as a support character to take out your entire team with his defense buffs.

The only way you're taking out waver in one turn is if you're running a BBB or BBR.

I'm running an ASB.

One excaliblast takes care of Lu Bu, then a single buster card takes care of Waver after that, Jin Ke is just another buster card after Waver.

Excalibur doesn't do as much damage as you think it does.

Yes I know, thats why I buff it.

Dual charisma + master buff would only make it hit for around 22k. Waver has 60k without buffs.

I have Ushi's buff, and Saber's other buff to go with it, 4 buffs in total, including a buster chain buff, which I almost always get.

That's because you're running a burst team. I only have one good berserker so that set up isn't viable for me.

ASB is more of a crit/arts hybrid.

I'm running BRS, its not much of a burst team, Saber does more damage than my lancelot.

And how many times have you managed to do this? You'd have to have everything go perfectly up until the last round to get this + land a triple B on the first turn in order to do this. Derping around with arts cards chains in round two will get your lead killed unless you're lucky enough to have the chimera sit around and buff himself for three turns straight.

My string of buffs is much greater than yours and even with the burst chain bonus he'd be sitting at around 6-12k hp. This is with Waver not using the string of damage reduction buffs he likes to throw at himself as well. Even then that's to much remaining hp for you to be able to finish him off with a single burst attack in the next round unless you manage to land a crit, which if you've used a burst chain in the round prior, you wont be getting.

We're also operating under the assumption that attack rating = damage dealt. Which it doesn't.

I've managed to do it perfectly all but one time, which means I took Lu Bu and Waver in one turn each of those times.

So how are you building NP if you're getting 3 burst cards almost every turn?

The first round I take out 2 of the Chimeras, the 3rd I use to build my NP, if thats not enough the 2nd round will give me a chance at another art card, and I rarely ever take a lot of damage to a single servant by the end of it, so once I get to the third round I'm set for a buffed Excaliblast with a buster chain leaving me to only deal with Jin Ke.

Whenever I go through the enemy focuses down one servant at a time, usually Gil -> Lancelot -> Arturia so if I fuck around with trying to build NP Gil will most likely be dead by the end of round 2.

Sucks for you m8. You don't have Zeltrech or Formalcraft CE?

Nope, my library of good CEs is rather thin.

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Medal shop when.

On the 22nd is my guess.

So I try a single quartz roll...

Spoiler

She's got a sexy final ascension.

Dammit now I'm tempted to do another ;-;

Except, I've already blown three singles on this event and uh I probably shouldn't waste 16 gems on getting black keys.

I'll save up for okeanus because broskander awaits.

Dammit now I'm tempted to do another ;-;

Except, I've already blown three singles on this event and uh I probably shouldn't waste 16 gems on getting black keys.

I'll save up for okeanus because broskander awaits.

You deserve every one of those black keys.

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So I try a single quartz roll...

Spoiler

She's got a sexy final ascension.

I've been saving up gold exp cards, no matter the class I'm pumping them all into her right now.

I'm waiting for the 22nd so I can get snake gems from the event to ascend Gilgamesh. I practically have all of the ascension items needed to bring him to level 100 after that.

You're right, I need to get her ascended asap >.>

Are those gems some of the items unobtainable right now? Or is it just the same old "shit doesn't drop enough"?

You have two chances to get them per week from 40ap dailies. They're supposed to be common, but I end up getting the demon hearts instead and those are supposed to be super hard to get.

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Dammit now I'm tempted to do another ;-;

Except, I've already blown three singles on this event and uh I probably shouldn't waste 16 gems on getting black keys.

I'll save up for okeanus because broskander awaits.

You deserve every one of those black keys.

No matter how I look at it, it's not my fault I do single rolls.

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Quote from: LC on September 20, 2015, 02:49:28 PM

Quote from: Byrne on September 20, 2015, 02:48:07 PM

So I try a single quartz roll...

Spoiler

She's got a sexy final ascension.

I've been saving up gold exp cards, no matter the class I'm pumping them all into her right now.

I'm waiting for the 22nd so I can get snake gems from the event to ascend Gilgamesh. I practically have all of the ascension items needed to bring him to level 100 after that.

You're right, I need to get her ascended asap >.>

Are those gems some of the items unobtainable right now? Or is it just the same old "shit doesn't drop enough"?

You have two chances to get them per week from 40ap dailies. They're supposed to be common, but I end up getting the demon hearts instead and those are supposed to be super hard to get.

Some twisted luck there.
Still, you can get them now. Will the event drop enough or will you still need to grind a bit before you can ascend Gil?

If it drops 5 I should have barely enough.

Call it a hunch, but I would expect to get three.

It's either that or they just made the demon hearts give out three because fuck psy

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All that wasted potential

I wasn't even aware it got an anime.