You simply cannot deny the truth. From multiple standpoints, Fallout New Vegas is superior to Fallout 3.

Choice:
Fallout 3 claims to be a choice based story. But how many choices can really be made? How many choices have any effect on the main story arc? Lets look at the main arc. You essentially have two choices to make, purify the water, or help the Enclave, but only one choice really matters in the end. Helping the Enclave provides no benefit the player whatsoever. The Enclave is still destroyed, and nothing is gained. The Enclave remain hostile to you, and they are still hunted down in later expansions. In the end, you have one choice. Then the choice about who turns on the purifier. Again, it holds no weight to the overall story, but what happens in the end slides.

Fallout New Vegas is all about choice. Your actions directly affect the story progression. Three factions fight for power over the strip and you can influnce everything that happens with those factions, or you can even say f­u­c­k it all and go it alone. You have the choice on which minor faction you will support, from wiping them out to bringing them into your fold and gaining their aid. In Dead Money you have the choice of how to deal with Ely and that choice directly effects how the rest of the story will progress. In Honest Hearts you make the choice on weather to lead the tribes to war or just evacuate them. In Old World Blues you make the choice on which, if any, of the manicaic scientists to support for your escape. In Lonsome road, you decide who you want to f­u­c­k­ing NUKE, if anyone.

Features:
Fallout 3 features V.A.T.S as well as a crafting mechanic where you can produce weapons or mines

Fallout New Vegas features V.A.T.S, Aiming down sights, Faction specific Gear, Crafting, reloading ammunition, follower based perks, reputation system, hardcore mode.

Factions:
Fallout 3 Features Two factions. Brotherhood of Steel and the Enclave. Outcasts are still members of the Brotherhood, well of the true Brotherhood. Only of which you can join.

Fallout New Vegas features many factions. New California Republic, Caesar's Legion, House's New Vegas, Independent New Vegas, Enclave Remnants, Boomers, Great Khans, The Kings, Powder Gangers, Primm, Van Graffs, Crimson Caravan, Novac, Fiends, Sloan, Good Springs, Followers of the Apocalypse, Bright Followers. Almost all of them can be joined or befriended or spoofed by wearing faction clothes.

Setting:
Fallout 3 is set in a post apocalyptic Washington DC area. The environment is generally grey and brown with little deviation from that color scheme. People are divided and only small settlements have popped up with limited forms of government. Civilization has not taken root even 200 years after the bombs

Fallout New Vegas is set in a post apocalyptic Las Vegas area. The Environment ranges from Deserts, dry lakes, fresh water lakes, snow capped mountains, forests, and city spaces. People are unified in one way or another under major government banners. Civilization has taken root only 100 years after the bombs and the process of rebuilding has begun.

Lore:
Fallout 3 has no direct connection to the Fallout lore. It makes no mention of what happened in the west with the Vault Dweller and the Chosen One save for a few quips here and there from Harold. It takes established cannon and turns it on it's head with the actions of the Brotherhood of Steel, though the Outcasts remain true to the original intent of the Brotherhood.

Fallout New Vegas has a direct connection to the established Fallout Lore. It makes numerous references to the actions of the Vault Dweller and the formation of the NCR. Events of the previous games are talked about and serve as key story points in the New Vegas story line and help bring the story together. Then there is Marcus...

Mods:
You have a lot of mods that bring Fallout 3 some of the same features that New Vegas shipped with

In New Vegas you can bring Fallout 3 and have the best of both worlds. Seriously, no reason not to run Tale of Two Wastelands.




Both are great games and I love both, but it's hard to deny New Vegas' superiority.

I mean I agree but how many times do we have to have this discussion

Quote from: Binary004 on February 05, 2015, 07:28:30 PM

Its not superior to me

I'm sorry but you're wrong.

O
Kay

Yeah we know. Fallout NV is perferction incarnate and Fallout 3 is literally devil spawn. How many threads do we have to have on this?

Yeah we know. Fallout NV is perferction incarnate and Fallout 3 is literally devil spawn. How many threads do we have to have on this?

As many as we need.

This feels like beating a beaten dead horse carcass. Instead, why don't we talk about how there haven't been any Fallout games since New Vegas? Did the sales go bad?

no they just make skyrim instead

Just like after fallout 3 they made oblivion

So, in theory they are working on the next Fallout game right now? Yet, it has been about five years since Skyrim's release, and there's little to no word on the development of such a title. Oblivion was released in 2006, and Fallout 3 in 2008 respectively. New Vegas came out in 2010, and Skyrim in 2011.

Perhaps we can be hopeful that they have been busy unfucking their engine.

Fallout 3 had a better map. Fallout New Vegas' map feels too linear, and you're basically guided down a path at the start of the game until you know what you're doing and how to run up the north road. However, it has much better mechanics; the Companion Wheel, true Iron Sights and Hardcore definetly improve the experience for the better.

It has very little emphasis on exploration- NV excels in it's story and RPG aspects, whereas FO3 excels in it's exploration and just general running around. I don't ever play 3 for it's writing, just as I don't play Vegas for it's exploration (Outside of DLC anyway)- they're both good games, but good for different reasons.

The other thing are followers. Each one is unique due to skills, backs troy and quests. In Fallout 3 and Skyrim every follower is the same except what they look like. They hardly have any back story and development to them and when it comes to skills they are the same. The only unique follower in Fallout 3 is the mutant because he's a mutant and that's it.

Because he's basially invincible.

I loved vegas' follower quests. Reminded me of ME2, in that way that you have to build up the trust of your followers.

And getting a ghoul to walk round in a sombrero and mexican garb made me laugh  for about ten minutes.

Quote from: ShelfBacon on February 06, 2015, 03:49:29 AM

Fallout 3 had a better map. Fallout New Vegas' map feels too linear, and you're basically guided down a path at the start of the game until you know what you're doing and how to run up the north road. However, it has much better mechanics; the Companion Wheel, true Iron Sights and Hardcore definetly improve the experience for the better.

It has very little emphasis on exploration- NV excels in it's story and RPG aspects, whereas FO3 excels in it's exploration and just general running around. I don't ever play 3 for it's writing, just as I don't play Vegas for it's exploration (Outside of DLC anyway)- they're both good games, but good for different reasons.

But there is a lot of exploration in new Vegas. Like the gecko canyon south of primm. The vertibird crash near searchlight. The back road from good springs to red rock canyon, then the trail from red rock canyon to jacobstown. There is a lot of exploration, and all sorts of neat things to find.

I never said there wasn't any exploration. Rather, it just feels tacke on and an afterthought when compared to the Fallout 3

I like NV but it's so buggy

Quote from: ShelfBacon on February 06, 2015, 11:07:20 AM

Quote from: Kernel Kraut on February 06, 2015, 10:56:55 AM

Quote from: ShelfBacon on February 06, 2015, 03:49:29 AM

Fallout 3 had a better map. Fallout New Vegas' map feels too linear, and you're basically guided down a path at the start of the game until you know what you're doing and how to run up the north road. However, it has much better mechanics; the Companion Wheel, true Iron Sights and Hardcore definetly improve the experience for the better.

It has very little emphasis on exploration- NV excels in it's story and RPG aspects, whereas FO3 excels in it's exploration and just general running around. I don't ever play 3 for it's writing, just as I don't play Vegas for it's exploration (Outside of DLC anyway)- they're both good games, but good for different reasons.

But there is a lot of exploration in new Vegas. Like the gecko canyon south of primm. The vertibird crash near searchlight. The back road from good springs to red rock canyon, then the trail from red rock canyon to jacobstown. There is a lot of exploration, and all sorts of neat things to find.

I never said there wasn't any exploration. Rather, it just feels tacke on and an afterthought when compared to the Fallout 3

In comparison to Fallout 3's bland dungeon crawler based exploration system, sure. It has less of a focus on Exploration. Namely, because BGS can't make a different game to save their lives.

I enjoyed FO3's dungeons. The Vaults and Metros were creepy.

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I actually like 3 a lot better than NV, i'm not saying NV is a bad game, to me they're both great.

Quote from: True Turquoise on February 06, 2015, 12:46:11 PM

Look, I agree too.


But we don't need like 40 threads on this shit. About 90% of the Fallout players agree on here.

We need as many as it takes to make people realize that NV is objectively better.
For the future of the game industry.

just shut up you shitlord