Call of Duty: WWII multiplayer doesn't have swastikas, and this is why

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Much has been made of Sledgehammer Games' commitment to authenticity and a realistic depiction of war in Call of Duty: WWII. Actor Josh Duhamel said during the reveal livestream that "they spent so much time making this historically accurate, it's going to expose the whole WWII story to a whole new generation." For multiplayer action, however, Sledgehammer Games is taking a few liberties.   

Sledgehammer told us during E3 that players will be able to wield Allied or Axis weaponry in multiplayer, regardless of which side of the fight they're on. But as studio co-founder Michael Condrey told Eurogamer, they'll also have the option of fighting as a black or white soldier, male or female, without restriction.

"Multiplayer is this gritty, immersive experience, but it's also about putting youโ€”this is about youโ€”in World War 2," Condrey said. "And so, that evolution of your character means it's important for us to allow you to choose to be you, and to have a hero that represents who you are, whomever you choose that to be."

Condrey acknowledged that the rampant racism of the era, and particularly that of the Nazi regime, meant that black soldiers wouldn't actually be found among the ranks of the German military. But that's not the point. "We want this to be about you," Condrey said. "We're not making a statement about the authenticity of the Axis force. We're making this about putting you in this social space and you into your soldier."

The decision to omit the swastika has a similar basis. In the campaign, Sledgehammer has to balance authenticity with "respect" for the millions who died during the war. But in multiplayer, well... there are zombies.

"We want the community to play together. We want to be respectful of local customs and laws around the world," Condrey said. "And frankly [the swastika] is a dark symbol with a lot of emotion behind it we don't feel matches our multiplayer experience."   

Which sounds like a perfectly reasonable explanation to me. The WWII campaign may or may not live up to its billing, but CoD multiplayer doesn't carry any of that responsibility: It's a fun way for people to blast the crap out of each other online. In that context, the swastika is entirely unnecessary, and as Condrey said, simply does not fit.

 We took a closer look at Call of Duty: WWII's new multi-stage attack-and-defend "War Mode" last week, and overall it sounds very promising: More linear that other modes, but also more focused and team-oriented. Call of Duty: WWII is scheduled to come out on November 3.   

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"We're making this about putting you in this social space and you into your soldier."
See, they say this, but then for starters, the social space they're putting you in won't have the swastika, but more importantly, won't even be a realistic WWII social space.

They won't be Red Orchestra 2 with the Battle of Stalingrad. There will be little kids running around, dying and re spawning instantly, calling in killstreaks, etc.

So if they're trying to put you into the same world that those soldiers experience, I can't say they're doing a great job.

Just saying. I don't bother buying/playing CoD games.


 
 
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If I'm not here, I'm doing photography. Or I'm asleep. Or in lockdown. One of those three, anyway.

The current titlebar/avatar setup is just normal.
Literally unplayable. Until they represent my character as an Mi-24 Hind 7 killstreak in this game, it will not be "about me".

More seriously, I don't really see the point in this. If the game featured battlefields in the Eastern Front or in the Pacific (which may or may not be released as DLC later, who knows), would the Rising Sun or the Sickle and Hammer be censored for offensive imagery also?

A cool workaround though from what I've seen the MP trailer. All the normal swastika flags and icons are replaced with the  Iron cross, so you still have that "Nazi" feel.


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Kind of BS, because you can easily have different textures load in if your system's country is set to Germany.

Anyway, its COD - won't buy or play. Don't care.


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This wasn't ever really that big of a deal.

It would be cool if they had the symbol, but it doesn't, and I really don't see a point in getting that upset about it.

Game's gonna suck anyway.


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There aren't any other games to play and it's WWII. Sucks about Swastika if true. I like games to be historically accurate.


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Since when does anybody give a shit about continuity in multiplayer?


 
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I don't even care about this and I'm aparantly a neo Nazi. The multiplayer modes of an arcade shooter game caring about realism is laughable, imo.
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Honestly I do understand where they are coming from. I just hope this doesn't set a precedent for other games to do it, but I don't think it will for 2 important reasons.

1. The fact they had to come out and make this statement shows it is a very unpopular choice that had enough voices to feel they had to address it publicly.

2. FPS's have over the years have slowly broke off from the generic CoD feel and gone different routes. After CoD 4/MW2, almost all multiplayer FPS's had some kind of CoD formula in effect to the point it was getting to just be a copy cut thing. What with prestige, gameplay decisions, etc.

That's slowly gone away though thankfully. So in the end, I'm not really worried about it, but I won't be getting the CoD game anyway because MP is still the same stuff I do not like. I'll stick to just watching the SP on YouTube and call it a day.


 
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