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I'm putting together a second computer for a dual PC setup for streaming and whatnot. It'll also be used for gaming (primarily by the girlfriend). Currently thinking of putting a Ryzen 2700x and GTX 1070 in it, but I'm also tempted to just turn it into the new main PC with a 8700k and 1080ti or so. Thoughts for streaming and whatnot?


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whose girlfriend are you living with
Just mine. Not THAT much of a pimp.


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Future proof that rig brah, and don't be shy sending me whatever you don't need.


 
 
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Future proof that rig brah, and don't be shy sending me whatever you don't need.
What parts would you consider futureproofing?


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Future proof that rig brah, and don't be shy sending me whatever you don't need.
What parts would you consider futureproofing?

I would rock the Intel and 1080


 
 
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Future proof that rig brah, and don't be shy sending me whatever you don't need.
What parts would you consider futureproofing?

I would rock the Intel and 1080
The Ryzen has significantly more cores and threads though. It definitely outperforms the 8700k for streaming, rendering and productivity. As multiple cores/threads are being used in more games as well, I think you could well argue the 2700x is more futureproof. AMD has also confirmed that it'll be supported for its next 2 (?) generations of platforms, meaning that their processors will work on future motherboards just the same (whereas Intel requires an entirely different motherboard for every one of its CPU gens).


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Future proof that rig brah, and don't be shy sending me whatever you don't need.
What parts would you consider futureproofing?

I would rock the Intel and 1080
The Ryzen has significantly more cores and threads though. It definitely outperforms the 8700k for streaming, rendering and productivity. As multiple cores/threads are being used in more games as well, I think you could well argue the 2700x is more futureproof. AMD has also confirmed that it'll be supported for its next 2 (?) generations of platforms, meaning that their processors will work on future motherboards just the same (whereas Intel requires an entirely different motherboard for every one of its CPU gens).

Not really seeing a downside then. No compatibility problems?


 
 
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Future proof that rig brah, and don't be shy sending me whatever you don't need.
What parts would you consider futureproofing?

I would rock the Intel and 1080
The Ryzen has significantly more cores and threads though. It definitely outperforms the 8700k for streaming, rendering and productivity. As multiple cores/threads are being used in more games as well, I think you could well argue the 2700x is more futureproof. AMD has also confirmed that it'll be supported for its next 2 (?) generations of platforms, meaning that their processors will work on future motherboards just the same (whereas Intel requires an entirely different motherboard for every one of its CPU gens).

Not really seeing a downside then. No compatibility problems?
There shouldn't be. I think it's going to be the Ryzen for me. Just gotta settle on the right GPU.


 
 
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Price points for graphics cards are:

- 1070 = €430.
- 1070ti = €450 - 460.
- 1080 = €550 - 560.
- 1080ti = €670 - 700.
- 2070 = €600.

I'm thinking of either doing the 1070ti or 1080ti but have been told the 2070 might not be bad for streaming stuff.
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I'm probably going to get a 1080ti to put in the current pc with the i7 7700k. This will be the main gaming PC. I'll move my current 1080 to the new rig with a 2700x and then use that one for the encoding and streaming.


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I'm probably going to get a 1080ti to put in the current pc with the i7 7700k. This will be the main gaming PC. I'll move my current 1080 to the new rig with a 2700x and then use that one for the encoding and streaming.

Sounds like a plan


 
 
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I'm probably going to get a 1080ti to put in the current pc with the i7 7700k. This will be the main gaming PC. I'll move my current 1080 to the new rig with a 2700x and then use that one for the encoding and streaming.

Sounds like a plan
Just gotta wait now until I get the company going so I'll be able to write it all off as expenses. Pay less taxes and buy every component without a 20-25% tax on it? Hell yeah.


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I'm probably going to get a 1080ti to put in the current pc with the i7 7700k. This will be the main gaming PC. I'll move my current 1080 to the new rig with a 2700x and then use that one for the encoding and streaming.

Sounds like a plan
Just gotta wait now until I get the company going so I'll be able to write it all off as expenses. Pay less taxes and buy every component without a 20-25% tax on it? Hell yeah.

Fuck me, what's the 25% tax about?


 
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Just gotta wait now until I get the company going so I'll be able to write it all off as expenses. Pay less taxes and buy every component without a 20-25% tax on it? Hell yeah.
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I'm probably going to get a 1080ti to put in the current pc with the i7 7700k. This will be the main gaming PC. I'll move my current 1080 to the new rig with a 2700x and then use that one for the encoding and streaming.

Sounds like a plan
Just gotta wait now until I get the company going so I'll be able to write it all off as expenses. Pay less taxes and buy every component without a 20-25% tax on it? Hell yeah.

Fuck me, what's the 25% tax about?
It's a sales tax of 21% (not 25). It's far less for most things but for some goods like electronics, it's around the 20% mark (for comparison, some states in the US have theirs at around 10% max). The way that sales tax works (and this is the same for the US) is that it's only paid by the final consumer, not by anyone in the production chain.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/salestax.asp

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Conventional or retail sales taxes are only charged to the end user of a good or service. Because the majority of goods in modern economies pass through a number of stages of manufacturing, often handled by different entities, a significant amount of documentation is necessary to prove who is ultimately liable for sales tax. For example, say a sheep farmer sells wool to a company that manufactures yarn. To avoid paying the sales tax, the yarn maker must obtain a resale certificate from the government saying that it is not the end user. The yarn maker then sells its product on to a garment maker, which must also obtain a resale certificate. Finally, the garment maker sells fuzzy socks to a retail store, which will charge the customer sales tax along with the price of said socks.
This applies to both goods and services, so if I buy PC parts as a company for my work / business (which I can easily justify as my stream / casting is part of my work activity), I can buy them with an invoice and not pay the 21% tax because I pass it on to the next one in line (the company that hires me). I can probably save around $400 on a $2,000 PC that way, for example.
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Just gotta wait now until I get the company going so I'll be able to write it all off as expenses. Pay less taxes and buy every component without a 20-25% tax on it? Hell yeah.
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So here are the full and concrete builds I had in mind.

Gaming PC:

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700K 4.2 GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€401.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49 CFM CPU Cooler  (€34.90 @ Caseking)
Motherboard: MSI - Z270 SLI PLUS ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€154.17 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€133.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€109.99 @ ARLT)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€44.90 @ Caseking)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11 GB Gaming OC 11G  Video Card
Case: Corsair - 200R ATX Mid Tower Case  (€58.85 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: Cooler Master - 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€121.80 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit
Case Fan: Cooler Master - SickleFlow (Red) 69.69 CFM 120mm Fan  (€11.48 @ Alternate)
Case Fan: Cooler Master - SickleFlow (Red) 69.69 CFM 120mm Fan  (€11.48 @ Alternate)
Total: €1082.56
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-12 23:09 CET+0100

Streaming PC:

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor  (€307.88 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: MSI - X470 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€139.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€133.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€79.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€44.90 @ Caseking)
Video Card: KFA2 - GeForce GTX 1080 8 GB Video Card
Case: Corsair - 200R ATX Mid Tower Case  (€58.85 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€109.90 @ Corsair DE)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit
Case Fan: Cooler Master - SickleFlow (Red) 69.69 CFM 120mm Fan  (€11.48 @ Alternate)
Case Fan: Cooler Master - SickleFlow (Red) 69.69 CFM 120mm Fan  (€11.48 @ Alternate)
Total: €898.37
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-12 23:05 CET+0100

Note that I already own everything in the gaming PC (with the exception of the 1080ti) and that I already have the GTX 1080 for the streaming PC. Final thoughts from any of our PC builders?


 
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I was thinking of building another PC too before Doom Eternal releases


 
 
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I was thinking of building another PC too before Doom Eternal releases
Specs?


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Excuse me, I'm full of dog poison
I'm probably going to get a 1080ti to put in the current pc with the i7 7700k. This will be the main gaming PC. I'll move my current 1080 to the new rig with a 2700x and then use that one for the encoding and streaming.

Sounds like a plan
Just gotta wait now until I get the company going so I'll be able to write it all off as expenses. Pay less taxes and buy every component without a 20-25% tax on it? Hell yeah.

Fuck me, what's the 25% tax about?
It's a sales tax of 21% (not 25). It's far less for most things but for some goods like electronics, it's around the 20% mark (for comparison, some states in the US have theirs at around 10% max). The way that sales tax works (and this is the same for the US) is that it's only paid by the final consumer, not by anyone in the production chain.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/salestax.asp

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Conventional or retail sales taxes are only charged to the end user of a good or service. Because the majority of goods in modern economies pass through a number of stages of manufacturing, often handled by different entities, a significant amount of documentation is necessary to prove who is ultimately liable for sales tax. For example, say a sheep farmer sells wool to a company that manufactures yarn. To avoid paying the sales tax, the yarn maker must obtain a resale certificate from the government saying that it is not the end user. The yarn maker then sells its product on to a garment maker, which must also obtain a resale certificate. Finally, the garment maker sells fuzzy socks to a retail store, which will charge the customer sales tax along with the price of said socks.
This applies to both goods and services, so if I buy PC parts as a company for my work / business (which I can easily justify as my stream / casting is part of my work activity), I can buy them with an invoice and not pay the 21% tax because I pass it on to the next one in line (the company that hires me). I can probably save around $400 on a $2,000 PC that way, for example.

That's extraordinarily high comparatively. Our sales tax is only 6.5%.

Taxation really is theft.


 
 
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That's extraordinarily high comparatively. Our sales tax is only 6.5%.

Taxation really is theft.
Perhaps, but it's a tax I'm happy to pay. Sure, it's pretty high but I'm fine contributing my part. It translates into high quality healthcare and education being accessible to all, great public transportation, mandatory paid holidays and benefits, good social care, housing and financial assistance for everyone in case of illness, maternity/paternity leave and stuff like that. It could probably be lowered a bit but I'm more than happy paying it.


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That's extraordinarily high comparatively. Our sales tax is only 6.5%.

Taxation really is theft.
Perhaps, but it's a tax I'm happy to pay. Sure, it's pretty high but I'm fine contributing my part. It translates into high quality healthcare and education being accessible to all, great public transportation, mandatory paid holidays and benefits, good social care, housing and financial assistance for everyone in case of illness, maternity/paternity leave and stuff like that. It could probably be lowered a bit but I'm more than happy paying it.

Except when you're finding loopholes to skip on em #lawyerlife


 
 
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That's extraordinarily high comparatively. Our sales tax is only 6.5%.

Taxation really is theft.
Perhaps, but it's a tax I'm happy to pay. Sure, it's pretty high but I'm fine contributing my part. It translates into high quality healthcare and education being accessible to all, great public transportation, mandatory paid holidays and benefits, good social care, housing and financial assistance for everyone in case of illness, maternity/paternity leave and stuff like that. It could probably be lowered a bit but I'm more than happy paying it.

Except when you're finding loopholes to skip on em #lawyerlife
Lol, I can see why you'd say that but this isn't even a loophole. It's just how sales tax is intended to work. Everyone in the chain of making a product or providing a service passes it on to the next one in line until it reaches the actual point of sale where it's the consumer who pays the tax. When I give legal counsel or am asked to cast an event or tournament, it's the person or company hiring me that pays the tax as I'm supposed to include it in my fee. It's simply how it's supposed to work, no loopholes or sneaky tricks whatsoever. I'm only exempt from the VAT on things I buy for the company (and can justify too, like a computer to stream or office supplies). Everything else (99% of what I buy) I just pay full tax like anyone else.
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Goodness gracious, great balls of lightning!
I was thinking of building another PC too before Doom Eternal releases
Specs?
Basically the same one I have now but i7 and 16gb ram


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Excuse me, I'm full of dog poison
That's extraordinarily high comparatively. Our sales tax is only 6.5%.

Taxation really is theft.
Perhaps, but it's a tax I'm happy to pay. Sure, it's pretty high but I'm fine contributing my part. It translates into high quality healthcare and education being accessible to all, great public transportation, mandatory paid holidays and benefits, good social care, housing and financial assistance for everyone in case of illness, maternity/paternity leave and stuff like that. It could probably be lowered a bit but I'm more than happy paying it.

Except when you're finding loopholes to skip on em #lawyerlife
Lol, I can see why you'd say that but this isn't even a loophole. It's just how sales tax is intended to work. Everyone in the chain of making a product or providing a service passes it on to the next one in line until it reaches the actual point of sale where it's the consumer who pays the tax. When I give legal counsel or am asked to cast an event or tournament, it's the person or company hiring me that pays the tax as I'm supposed to include it in my fee. It's simply how it's supposed to work, no loopholes or sneaky tricks whatsoever. I'm only exempt from the VAT on things I buy for the company (and can justify too, like a computer to stream or office supplies). Everything else (99% of what I buy) I just pay full tax like anyone else.

Yeah that's how it works here too. The shop accounts I used to work with would get super pissed if we charged them sales tax on parts for customers.

I just can't imagine over 20% in sales tax. You guys have property tax too?