BBC - Gamergate article. Oh boy door, you'll love this.

 
 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-29821050

Take a few beta blockers first though.

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Games publishers and industry figures must "stand-up and condemn" the movement referred to as "GamerGate", developer Zoe Quinn has told the BBC.

Ms Quinn has been at the centre of a furore which some argue is about ethics in journalism, but others consider to be a largely misogynist hate campaign.

The 27-year-old was forced to leave her home after receiving death threats.

She said publishers must "say GamerGate, and what it's been doing, is wrong".

"The fact that so much of the responsibility is offloaded to the people most harmed by it, when somebody in a much safer position than I am can stand up and condemn it... it's frustrating."
Intimate details

In a highly-emotional interview, Ms Quinn told the BBC how her life had "completely changed" after she had become embroiled in the row.

In August, an ex-boyfriend of Ms Quinn published a blog post, that ran to thousands of words, detailing intimate details about their relationship.
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The posts included an accusation that Ms Quinn had had a relationship with a journalist at prominent games site Kotaku in an attempt to get positive reviews for her game, Depression Quest.

The allegation proved untrue - but the debate continued, and is now approaching its third month.

Ms Quinn, who has not returned home since the initial threats, had been speaking at the annual Gamecity event in Nottingham - despite a previous threat she would suffer a "crippling injury" the next time she went to a games conference.

"I used to go to games events and feel like I was going home," Ms Quinn said.

"Now it's just like... are any of the people I'm currently in the room with ones that said they wanted to beat me to death?

"It's terrifying. It sucks to not have any privacy. This has all been so public. It's more scrutiny than a politician faces - it's living with constant fear in a place I called home."
'Horrible misrepresentation'

Some firms - such as Ubisoft - have come forward and said they were strongly against "harassment, bullying and threats".

The Entertainment Software Association, a trade group for US developers, released a statement saying: "Threats of violence and harassment are wrong."

But Ms Quinn said she did not feel it went far enough.
Depression Quest screenshot Zoe Quinn's game is based on her own experiences with depression

"We need everybody to stand-up and condemn it - and not in this milquetoast 'harassment is bad you guys' way - because they don't think that what they're doing is harassment."

She added: "When people that are prominent in the industry can stand up and say 'I'm part of games, I love games, this hate mob doesn't speak for me, this is not welcome in games', it has the two-fold effect of making it less damaging to those that this can hurt, and it does something repair this horrible misrepresentation of this medium that so many of us love.

"Condemning them and say they do no speak for games - it's so fundamental, otherwise this is going to keep happening."
'Pure toxicity'

Analysis of discussion about GamerGate has indicated that misogynist abuse - and vitriolic messages in general - is not limited to either "side" of the argument.

Journalist Allum Bokhari, a writer for TechCrunch, has said there was credible evidence that at least one well-known trolling group was "working to provoke both sides against each other".

Meanwhile, some people previously offering highly vocal support of GamerGate have backed off.
Brianna Wu tweet Brianna Wu is another developer targeted by online abuse

"Through a snowball effect of misinformation, trolling, and ideological/emotional bias on both sides, the issue is quickly descending into a quagmire attracting trolls, extremists, and opportunists needlessly stirring the pot of controversy," said one prominent figure who backed GamerGate, but wished to remain anonymous in this article.

"The harassment is ultimately an unfortunate variable affecting both sides of this situation, and it distresses me to see anyone live in fear.

"Dismissing GamerGate as a misogynist hate movement is not going to make it go away, because it just simply is not that - it's a consumer boycott.

"Until we act like adults and come together to have a conversation on the ethics of games journalism, it's only going to get worse and worse - that's why I'm now choosing to distance myself from the issue."

Ms Quinn herself suggested that the gaming ethics argument could progress - but only if it distanced itself fully from GamerGate tag.

"If you have any care for this industry, if you have any care for the future of games, you need to leave.

"If you have actual concerns, start over without [GamerGate]. If your concerns can't exist on their own, if they have to be supported off the backs of ruining lives, then how legitimate are your concerns?"
'Maybe they'll be back'

As well as Ms Quinn, other women in the games industry have had to leave home due to threats to their safety, including Brianna Wu, a developer in Boston, and Anita Sarkeesian, a feminist writer and commentator.

Ms Sarkeesian had published a series of YouTube videos criticising the depiction of women in many popular games. Some felt it was applying a level of political correctness not needed in gaming.
Anita Sarkeesian Feminist video blogger Anita Sarkeesian also said she had fled her home after receiving death threats

Ms Quinn said it was important to keep talking about the issue openly.

"I don't want to set an example that you can do this and get what you want.

"I have a folder on my desktop called 'those who left' - every time somebody sends me a message saying 'hey, I really admire your strength, but it's not worth it for me, I'm leaving', I save these.

"I'm going to hopefully go back through it in a few years, and maybe they'll be back."

As for whether she would be able to continue her own career, she said: "I love games more than they hate me."

Oh and #ModBias because it's not in Garning. I'll dump it there in a few <.<


 
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>Journalists

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WOW I NEVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT

Guys, don't give these fuckers clicks. No media article about Gamergate is going to be fair. Don't waste your time.


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>Journalists

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WOW I NEVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT

Guys, don't give these fuckers clicks. No media article about Gamergate is going to be fair. Don't waste your time.

Yup, I'm just quite disappointed in the BBC for actually swallowing this horseshit. They do make some effort at showing the counterpoint, but it's buried at the bottom of the article.


 
 
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Alrighty, time to shove it to gaming.


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>Journalists

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WOW I NEVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT

Guys, don't give these fuckers clicks. No media article about Gamergate is going to be fair. Don't waste your time.
Gamergate, in a nutshell.


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I've tried explaining it to you, but you've made it clear countless times that you're to ignorant of the facts and what's going on to "give a shit"


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Y'ALL GAMERS BE BAD Y'ALL
HOWDY TEXAS WHISKEY
ZOE QUINN HARASSMENT
Y'AAAAALL

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Y'ALL YEAH FUCK YEAH BAD GAMERS MAN BALD EAGLES AND SHIIIIIIT

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate_controversy
Fucking hell, they've managed to infest Wikipedia too.

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Gamergate (sometimes referred to as GamerGate or as a hashtag #gamergate) is a controversy centering on misogyny and harassment in video game culture, the role of social commentary in game critiques, and ethics in video game journalism, particularly alleged conflicts of interest between video game journalists and developers. The controversy began in August 2014 and has occurred primarily over social media. A number of people, primarily women, working in the gaming industry in various capacities were subjected to an intense campaign of harassment and violent threats. It prompted increased attention to "deep-rooted anti-feminist sentiment"[1] and issues of sexism and misogyny in segments of the gaming community.[2][3][4][5][6][7] A subsequent series of death threats against prominent women in gaming drew international media attention to the movement's association with violent harassment.[8][9][10] In response to what they considered attacks from the media, GamerGate supporters have increasingly focused on contacting companies advertising on gaming news outlets, embroiling several major companies in the controversy.[11][12]

The controversy first came to wider attention due to the sustained harassment that indie game developer Zoe Quinn faced after an ex-boyfriend published a blog post making several allegations against her that included her having a romantic relationship with Nathan Grayson, a journalist for the video game news site Kotaku.[13] Some Internet users, particularly on 4chan and Reddit, began attacking Quinn, claiming falsely that her relationship resulted in favorable media reviews for her recently released game Depression Quest. During this time, violent threats were made against Quinn, prompting her to flee her home. Although these concerns about journalistic impropriety proved unfounded, as Grayson never wrote a review of the game,[14][a] allegations about journalistic ethics continued to clash with acts of harassment and misogyny.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate_controversy
Fucking hell, they've managed to infest Wikipedia too.

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Gamergate (sometimes referred to as GamerGate or as a hashtag #gamergate) is a controversy centering on misogyny and harassment in video game culture, the role of social commentary in game critiques, and ethics in video game journalism, particularly alleged conflicts of interest between video game journalists and developers. The controversy began in August 2014 and has occurred primarily over social media. A number of people, primarily women, working in the gaming industry in various capacities were subjected to an intense campaign of harassment and violent threats. It prompted increased attention to "deep-rooted anti-feminist sentiment"[1] and issues of sexism and misogyny in segments of the gaming community.[2][3][4][5][6][7] A subsequent series of death threats against prominent women in gaming drew international media attention to the movement's association with violent harassment.[8][9][10] In response to what they considered attacks from the media, GamerGate supporters have increasingly focused on contacting companies advertising on gaming news outlets, embroiling several major companies in the controversy.[11][12]

The controversy first came to wider attention due to the sustained harassment that indie game developer Zoe Quinn faced after an ex-boyfriend published a blog post making several allegations against her that included her having a romantic relationship with Nathan Grayson, a journalist for the video game news site Kotaku.[13] Some Internet users, particularly on 4chan and Reddit, began attacking Quinn, claiming falsely that her relationship resulted in favorable media reviews for her recently released game Depression Quest. During this time, violent threats were made against Quinn, prompting her to flee her home. Although these concerns about journalistic impropriety proved unfounded, as Grayson never wrote a review of the game,[14][a] allegations about journalistic ethics continued to clash with acts of harassment and misogyny.
This has been evident for a while. Pretty much any article that has anything to do w/ an ideology is going to be hijacked by that ideology.


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Nobody should be treated like this. There are plenty of stories in game development where developers were targeted with death threats in the past, and some harassment. Some people out there are, to put it bluntly, assholes. Threatening people's lives is not a funny matter.

Whoever is harassing someone like that, sending threats and so forth, no matter how just they may be– they mustn't get away with it. It's a criminal offense, it's illegal and more so immoral. #GamerGate is composed by hate, and that's not acceptable.

Zoe Quinn... That's a whole entire story on its own. Where most of the people who go bother hating on her probably aren't even qualified to do so, not only for not being involved into such a shameful and twisted story that came into the public light, but also because it lacks respect for the fellow person.

If you want to be better than Zoe Quinn, Kotaku and all these people who blatantly hate on others through a tag then be better. Be respectful, be decent, be someone you would be happy with being without spouting out your issues, worries, fears, and whatever else onto other's misery.

Sincerely, this whole matter is a bad stain for the reputation of all the journalists because of the implications of lack of ethics, respect and professionalism; where writers and creatives out there who put work into being professional, neutral and ethical as much as possible with their work might be affected by the general image generated by this.

BBC certainly has raised a solid point; behave like humans, think twice before insulting someone online, think twice before joining on any kind of ongoing social gathering, and understand that at the other side of the screen, behind a video game and behind any kind of work there's a person, with also their own issues, story, experiences and desires. Where BBC failed was to provide a properly neutral argument and to also showcase why people who jump into such a hate train, and why would someone might want to go as some people went over this issue.


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I do have an idea, but I don't think what Joe Quinn did was a good thing either. If you read further down my post.

You really have no idea what is actually going on, do you?


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Can someone, as concisely as possible, explain to me the issue that GG is attempting to correct, what methods they're using, and whether it has yielded any results? I've seen tons of journalist articles brushing GG aside as 4chan trying to cyber-ra­pe Zoe Quinn, and I've seen tons of forum posts about journalists brushing GG aside as 4chan trying to cyber-ra­pe Zoe Quinn, but I haven't seen a single thing about forward progress or even a defined goal.


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Whoever is harassing someone like that, sending threats and so forth, no matter how just they may be– they mustn't get away with it. It's a criminal offense, it's illegal and more so immoral. #GamerGate is composed by hate, and that's not acceptable.
While I agree with the first part, I disagree with the second. There has been no evidence presented that gamergate is responsible for these threats. In fact gamergate has been more organized in reporting them. So much so it was pointed out by even Kotaku. Even in Newsweek data they found 95% of the gamergate tweets directed at Anita and co. were neutral in nature (not hate filled).

In the case of Briana Wu's harasser. They also sent the exact same death threats to a GG feminist.

Death threats and doxxing are horrible and need to stop on both sides, but blaming the first group that comes to mind does not solve anything The biggest problem in this whole mess is the spread of misinformation and lack of dialogue on both sides.
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