Battlefront Demo Discussion Thread

where would you say the line is drawn between "game's fault" and "player's fault"

in general

If it happens as a result of human error, it's not the game's fault.

so you would never use a term like "too difficult", then

just to be clear--i know a lot of that stuff you brought up doesn't have much to do with difficulty

i could play devil's advocate hardcore on that logic

stop

And yes, I was totally telling Tru to kill himself seriously and not in the name of friendly banter.

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kys

I told you I already killed myself once in this thread, what more do you want of me?

where would you say the line is drawn between "game's fault" and "player's fault"

in general

If it happens as a result of human error, it's not the game's fault.

so you would never use a term like "too difficult", then

Only in relation to something mechanical, such as clunky controls or impossibly long button prompts/mashes.

I hate button masher sequences, but they aren't defaulted to being bad; I'm just not a fan of their usual applications. I might say something about them, but it wouldn't affect my perception of the game (unless the games was nothing BUT button mashing sequences)

And yes, I was totally telling Tru to kill himself seriously and not in the name of friendly banter.

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kys

I told you I already killed myself once in this thread, what more do you want of me?

Gain Brouzouf

Then kys until you content yourself in purgatorial complacency

And yes, I was totally telling Tru to kill himself seriously and not in the name of friendly banter.

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kys

I told you I already killed myself once in this thread, what more do you want of me?

Gain Brouzouf

Then kys until you content yourself in purgatorial complacency

uhm, how about in a different language this time?

And yes, I was totally telling Tru to kill himself seriously and not in the name of friendly banter.

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kys

I told you I already killed myself once in this thread, what more do you want of me?

Gain Brouzouf

Then kys until you content yourself in purgatorial complacency

uhm, how about in a different language this time?

brouzouf gagner. ensuite vous tuer jusqu'à ce que vous vous contentez de complaisance purgatoire.

Only in relation to something mechanical, such as clunky controls or impossibly long button prompts/mashes.

I hate button masher sequences, but they aren't defaulted to being bad; I'm just not a fan of their usual applications. I might say something about them, but it wouldn't affect my perception of the game (unless the games was nothing BUT button mashing sequences)

i see

anyway, i think his issue is simply you calling them "non-issues", with your only qualifier being that there are ways to counteract those issues

like, perhaps he's arguing that there should be more ways to counteract

i haven't played the demo myself, so i feel silly even partaking in this, but yeah
this conversation is intriguing because it deals with that player/game fault relationship

And yes, I was totally telling Tru to kill himself seriously and not in the name of friendly banter.

Spoiler

kys

I told you I already killed myself once in this thread, what more do you want of me?

Gain Brouzouf

Then kys until you content yourself in purgatorial complacency

uhm, how about in a different language this time?

brouzouf gagner. ensuite vous tuer jusqu'à ce que vous vous contentez de complaisance purgatoire.

no, that didn't work either.

Only in relation to something mechanical, such as clunky controls or impossibly long button prompts/mashes.

I hate button masher sequences, but they aren't defaulted to being bad; I'm just not a fan of their usual applications. I might say something about them, but it wouldn't affect my perception of the game (unless the games was nothing BUT button mashing sequences)

i see

anyway, i think his issue is simply you calling them "non-issues", with your only qualifier being that there are ways to counteract those issues

like, perhaps he's arguing that there should be more ways to counteract

i haven't played the demo myself, so i feel silly even partaking in this, but yeah
this conversation is intriguing because it deals with that player/game fault relationship

It isn't accurate to just say "counteract",  admittedly; if I wasn't participating on top banter with Tru, and I was honestly arguing the point, I would have worded that more delicately.

Non-issues (on this topic) relate to things that are either unrelated to the gameplay (why are Vader's lines so corny? Why is the Star Destroyer apparently in-atmosphere?), are not the fault of the game itself (kamikaze), or are so petty that it's pointless to argue (can be related to point one; "why are there female stormtroopers on hoth" is a popular reason on /v/ at the moment).

And yes, I was totally telling Tru to kill himself seriously and not in the name of friendly banter.

Spoiler

kys

I told you I already killed myself once in this thread, what more do you want of me?

Gain Brouzouf

Then kys until you content yourself in purgatorial complacency

uhm, how about in a different language this time?

brouzouf gagner. ensuite vous tuer jusqu'à ce que vous vous contentez de complaisance purgatoire.

no, that didn't work either.

增益brouzouf 。杀了自己，直到你实现你的炼狱是永恒的惩罚。

And yes, I was totally telling Tru to kill himself seriously and not in the name of friendly banter.

Spoiler

kys

I told you I already killed myself once in this thread, what more do you want of me?

Gain Brouzouf

Then kys until you content yourself in purgatorial complacency

uhm, how about in a different language this time?

brouzouf gagner. ensuite vous tuer jusqu'à ce que vous vous contentez de complaisance purgatoire.

no, that didn't work either.

增益brouzouf 。杀了自己，直到你实现你的炼狱是永恒的惩罚。

Think we might be getting closer

Only in relation to something mechanical, such as clunky controls or impossibly long button prompts/mashes.

I hate button masher sequences, but they aren't defaulted to being bad; I'm just not a fan of their usual applications. I might say something about them, but it wouldn't affect my perception of the game (unless the games was nothing BUT button mashing sequences)

i see

anyway, i think his issue is simply you calling them "non-issues", with your only qualifier being that there are ways to counteract those issues

like, perhaps he's arguing that there should be more ways to counteract

i haven't played the demo myself, so i feel silly even partaking in this, but yeah
this conversation is intriguing because it deals with that player/game fault relationship

It isn't accurate to just say "counteract",  admittedly; if I wasn't participating on top banter with Tru, and I was honestly arguing the point, I would have worded that more delicately.

Non-issues (on this topic) relate to things that are either unrelated to the gameplay (why are Vader's lines so corny? Why is the Star Destroyer apparently in-atmosphere?), are not the fault of the game itself (kamikaze), or are so petty that it's pointless to argue (can be related to point one; "why are there female stormtroopers on hoth" is a popular reason on /v/ at the moment).

the female stormtroopers are pretty dumb, though.

And yes, I was totally telling Tru to kill himself seriously and not in the name of friendly banter.

Spoiler

kys

I told you I already killed myself once in this thread, what more do you want of me?

Gain Brouzouf

Then kys until you content yourself in purgatorial complacency

uhm, how about in a different language this time?

brouzouf gagner. ensuite vous tuer jusqu'à ce que vous vous contentez de complaisance purgatoire.

no, that didn't work either.

增益brouzouf 。杀了自己，直到你实现你的炼狱是永恒的惩罚。

Think we might be getting closer

brouzouf 를 얻을 수 있습니다. 당신이 당신의 고난 은 영원한 형벌 입니다 달성 할 때까지 자신을 죽여 .

Only in relation to something mechanical, such as clunky controls or impossibly long button prompts/mashes.

I hate button masher sequences, but they aren't defaulted to being bad; I'm just not a fan of their usual applications. I might say something about them, but it wouldn't affect my perception of the game (unless the games was nothing BUT button mashing sequences)

i see

anyway, i think his issue is simply you calling them "non-issues", with your only qualifier being that there are ways to counteract those issues

like, perhaps he's arguing that there should be more ways to counteract

i haven't played the demo myself, so i feel silly even partaking in this, but yeah
this conversation is intriguing because it deals with that player/game fault relationship

It isn't accurate to just say "counteract",  admittedly; if I wasn't participating on top banter with Tru, and I was honestly arguing the point, I would have worded that more delicately.

Non-issues (on this topic) relate to things that are either unrelated to the gameplay (why are Vader's lines so corny? Why is the Star Destroyer apparently in-atmosphere?), are not the fault of the game itself (kamikaze), or are so petty that it's pointless to argue (can be related to point one; "why are there female stormtroopers on hoth" is a popular reason on /v/ at the moment).

the female stormtroopers are pretty dumb, though.

501st was groundside on Hoth. Most of them were the Fett template of clone.

"Most" being the key word. By the time of Episode IV, most of the Stormtrooper outfit was composed of different clone templates or recruits. It's not against canon to say that some of the stormtroopers on Hoth were female.

the female stormtroopers are pretty dumb, though.

lol yeah

clearly just pandering to the SJW crowd, right

fucking feminazis, amirite

Only in relation to something mechanical, such as clunky controls or impossibly long button prompts/mashes.

I hate button masher sequences, but they aren't defaulted to being bad; I'm just not a fan of their usual applications. I might say something about them, but it wouldn't affect my perception of the game (unless the games was nothing BUT button mashing sequences)

i see

anyway, i think his issue is simply you calling them "non-issues", with your only qualifier being that there are ways to counteract those issues

like, perhaps he's arguing that there should be more ways to counteract

i haven't played the demo myself, so i feel silly even partaking in this, but yeah
this conversation is intriguing because it deals with that player/game fault relationship

It isn't accurate to just say "counteract",  admittedly; if I wasn't participating on top banter with Tru, and I was honestly arguing the point, I would have worded that more delicately.

Non-issues (on this topic) relate to things that are either unrelated to the gameplay (why are Vader's lines so corny? Why is the Star Destroyer apparently in-atmosphere?), are not the fault of the game itself (kamikaze), or are so petty that it's pointless to argue (can be related to point one; "why are there female stormtroopers on hoth" is a popular reason on /v/ at the moment).

the female stormtroopers are pretty dumb, though.

501st was groundside on Hoth. Most of them were the Fett template of clone.

"Most" being the key word. By the time of Episode IV, most of the Stormtrooper outfit was composed of different clone templates or recruits. It's not against canon to say that some of the stormtroopers on Hoth were female.

The Empire didn't allow females in its military ranks, maybe noncombat roles, but unless they were Palpatine's assassins they weren't there.

Only in relation to something mechanical, such as clunky controls or impossibly long button prompts/mashes.

I hate button masher sequences, but they aren't defaulted to being bad; I'm just not a fan of their usual applications. I might say something about them, but it wouldn't affect my perception of the game (unless the games was nothing BUT button mashing sequences)

i see

anyway, i think his issue is simply you calling them "non-issues", with your only qualifier being that there are ways to counteract those issues

like, perhaps he's arguing that there should be more ways to counteract

i haven't played the demo myself, so i feel silly even partaking in this, but yeah
this conversation is intriguing because it deals with that player/game fault relationship

It isn't accurate to just say "counteract",  admittedly; if I wasn't participating on top banter with Tru, and I was honestly arguing the point, I would have worded that more delicately.

Non-issues (on this topic) relate to things that are either unrelated to the gameplay (why are Vader's lines so corny? Why is the Star Destroyer apparently in-atmosphere?), are not the fault of the game itself (kamikaze), or are so petty that it's pointless to argue (can be related to point one; "why are there female stormtroopers on hoth" is a popular reason on /v/ at the moment).

the female stormtroopers are pretty dumb, though.

501st was groundside on Hoth. Most of them were the Fett template of clone.

"Most" being the key word. By the time of Episode IV, most of the Stormtrooper outfit was composed of different clone templates or recruits. It's not against canon to say that some of the stormtroopers on Hoth were female.

The Empire didn't allow females in its military ranks, maybe noncombat roles, but unless they were Palpatine's assassins they weren't there.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Essential_Guide_to_Warfare

They were rare under Palpatine's supervision, apparently no more than three per legion. But they were still a thing.

EDIT: Just linked the book for the sake of pointing out where I got this from. If you're interested in reading about that kind of shit and you don't a have a books-a-million or something with it in stock near you, I'm sure there's a pdf somewhere online.

Only in relation to something mechanical, such as clunky controls or impossibly long button prompts/mashes.

I hate button masher sequences, but they aren't defaulted to being bad; I'm just not a fan of their usual applications. I might say something about them, but it wouldn't affect my perception of the game (unless the games was nothing BUT button mashing sequences)

i see

anyway, i think his issue is simply you calling them "non-issues", with your only qualifier being that there are ways to counteract those issues

like, perhaps he's arguing that there should be more ways to counteract

i haven't played the demo myself, so i feel silly even partaking in this, but yeah
this conversation is intriguing because it deals with that player/game fault relationship

It isn't accurate to just say "counteract",  admittedly; if I wasn't participating on top banter with Tru, and I was honestly arguing the point, I would have worded that more delicately.

Non-issues (on this topic) relate to things that are either unrelated to the gameplay (why are Vader's lines so corny? Why is the Star Destroyer apparently in-atmosphere?), are not the fault of the game itself (kamikaze), or are so petty that it's pointless to argue (can be related to point one; "why are there female stormtroopers on hoth" is a popular reason on /v/ at the moment).

the female stormtroopers are pretty dumb, though.

501st was groundside on Hoth. Most of them were the Fett template of clone.

"Most" being the key word. By the time of Episode IV, most of the Stormtrooper outfit was composed of different clone templates or recruits. It's not against canon to say that some of the stormtroopers on Hoth were female.

The Empire didn't allow females in its military ranks, maybe noncombat roles, but unless they were Palpatine's assassins they weren't there.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Essential_Guide_to_Warfare

They were rare under Palpatine's supervision, apparently no more than three per legion. But they were still a thing.

EDIT: Just linked the book for the sake of pointing out where I got this from. If you're interested in reading about that kind of shit and you don't a have a books-a-million or something with it in stock near you, I'm sure there's a pdf somewhere online.

Is that even canon? Still, it's pretty unfitting with how Palpatine ran his empire and all that.

Only in relation to something mechanical, such as clunky controls or impossibly long button prompts/mashes.

I hate button masher sequences, but they aren't defaulted to being bad; I'm just not a fan of their usual applications. I might say something about them, but it wouldn't affect my perception of the game (unless the games was nothing BUT button mashing sequences)

i see

anyway, i think his issue is simply you calling them "non-issues", with your only qualifier being that there are ways to counteract those issues

like, perhaps he's arguing that there should be more ways to counteract

i haven't played the demo myself, so i feel silly even partaking in this, but yeah
this conversation is intriguing because it deals with that player/game fault relationship

It isn't accurate to just say "counteract",  admittedly; if I wasn't participating on top banter with Tru, and I was honestly arguing the point, I would have worded that more delicately.

Non-issues (on this topic) relate to things that are either unrelated to the gameplay (why are Vader's lines so corny? Why is the Star Destroyer apparently in-atmosphere?), are not the fault of the game itself (kamikaze), or are so petty that it's pointless to argue (can be related to point one; "why are there female stormtroopers on hoth" is a popular reason on /v/ at the moment).

the female stormtroopers are pretty dumb, though.

501st was groundside on Hoth. Most of them were the Fett template of clone.

"Most" being the key word. By the time of Episode IV, most of the Stormtrooper outfit was composed of different clone templates or recruits. It's not against canon to say that some of the stormtroopers on Hoth were female.

The Empire didn't allow females in its military ranks, maybe noncombat roles, but unless they were Palpatine's assassins they weren't there.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Essential_Guide_to_Warfare

They were rare under Palpatine's supervision, apparently no more than three per legion. But they were still a thing.

EDIT: Just linked the book for the sake of pointing out where I got this from. If you're interested in reading about that kind of shit and you don't a have a books-a-million or something with it in stock near you, I'm sure there's a pdf somewhere online.

Is that even canon? Still, it's pretty unfitting with how Palpatine ran his empire and all that.

What is canon at this point? 99% of the things people talk about are covered in the Legacy-EU. I wish they would have left some of it alone, at least the pre-movie universe.

But with this, it's because there was a clone revolt on Kamino (that led to the cloning facilities being destroyed). That's why they stopped making Fett clones and started making a variety of templates and recruiting via propaganda.

What is canon at this point?

just the movies + everything disney has put out post-nuke, iirc

unless that was a rhetorical question, idk i'm tired

What is canon at this point?

just the movies + everything disney has put out post-nuke, iirc

I just hate it when a conversation pops up and everything anybody brings up isn't canon anymore.

And yes, it was rhetorical lol.

i find it hilarious

I mean, if we want to go by the "new canon", the fact that EA Battlefront is a Disney-Star Wars licensed product makes it a part of the new story. So if there are female stormtroopers on Hoth... well, there are female stormtroopers on Hoth.

I'd like to be able to provide other instances of support to that claim, but ad you may remember, they didn't really have any stormtrooper slice of life scenes in the OT. Meaning that anything that support the fact that female stormtroopers on Hoth isn't an asspull isn't canon now.

EDIT: "Nothing appears in Star Wars anymore without substantial deliberation, and with no proper "Expanded Universe" in Lucasfilm's current lexicon, the Sullust created by DICE is Sullust. So, in a way, Star Wars: Battlefront is canon after all." So basically, not everything that happens is canon; the rebels winning in Walker Assault on Hoth, for example, is non-canon. But things like Sollust were imagined for the first time in this game, and everything was approved by LucasArts. I'd go ahead and say that means DICE's direction is universe compatible, then.

I mean, if we want to go by the "new canon", the fact that EA Battlefront is a Disney-Star Wars licensed product makes it a part of the new story. So if there are female stormtroopers on Hoth... well, there are female stormtroopers on Hoth.

I'd like to be able to provide other instances of support to that claim, but ad you may remember, they didn't really have any stormtrooper slice of life scenes in the OT. Meaning that anything that support the fact that female stormtroopers on Hoth isn't an asspull isn't canon now.

the thing is, i don't think they're gonna spend the effort of giving out an entirely new justification for their existence, you know what i mean

so like

i think it would be fair to assume you could use the EU legends as a platform for foundation/speculation
maybe

like, they've already taken elements from the EU already, right
kylo-ren's lightsaber isn't anything new if you've played one of those silly EU games, right

I mean, if we want to go by the "new canon", the fact that EA Battlefront is a Disney-Star Wars licensed product makes it a part of the new story. So if there are female stormtroopers on Hoth... well, there are female stormtroopers on Hoth.

I'd like to be able to provide other instances of support to that claim, but ad you may remember, they didn't really have any stormtrooper slice of life scenes in the OT. Meaning that anything that support the fact that female stormtroopers on Hoth isn't an asspull isn't canon now.

the thing is, i don't think they're gonna spend the effort of giving out an entirely new justification for their existence, you know what i mean

so like

i think it would be fair to assume you could use the EU legends as a platform for foundation/speculation
maybe

like, they've already taken elements from the EU already, right
kylo-ren's lightsaber isn't anything new if you've played one of those silly EU games, right

According to Disney, everything under the Legends brand is considered to be a pseudo-canon account; things happened vaguely the way described, but like folklore, the exact elements of the stories aren't true.

From what I've seen it looks gorgeous and sounds beautiful, but the gameplay looks wholly uninteresting to me. I've yet to play it though, so we'll see if my opinion changes after some actual time playing the game.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I mean, if we want to go by the "new canon", the fact that EA Battlefront is a Disney-Star Wars licensed product makes it a part of the new story. So if there are female stormtroopers on Hoth... well, there are female stormtroopers on Hoth.

I'd like to be able to provide other instances of support to that claim, but ad you may remember, they didn't really have any stormtrooper slice of life scenes in the OT. Meaning that anything that support the fact that female stormtroopers on Hoth isn't an asspull isn't canon now.

the thing is, i don't think they're gonna spend the effort of giving out an entirely new justification for their existence, you know what i mean

so like

i think it would be fair to assume you could use the EU legends as a platform for foundation/speculation
maybe

like, they've already taken elements from the EU already, right
kylo-ren's lightsaber isn't anything new if you've played one of those silly EU games, right

According to Disney, everything under the Legends brand is considered to be a pseudo-canon account; things happened vaguely the way described, but like folklore, the exact elements of the stories aren't true.

I think the general rule is that if it's pre ROTJ and it doesn't contradict anything done later, it's fine. But if something released later contradicts it, the new stuff is canon.

A few things...is there a Tatooine map in the full game other than survival? And I was discussing this with my friend: The game absolutely needs the original conquest mode with command posts and a pool of tickets for each team.