With all of these character types, their femaleness or sexuality is an intrinsic part of what is intended to make them dangerous or repulsive. As a result, when male heroes defeat them, their victory is often explicitly gendered, emphasizing that the male protagonist has overcome the female threat and reasserted his dominance and control. This can be as simple as the use of gendered slurs, as in Gears of War 3, when Marcus Fenix stabs and kills the Locust Queen.
I'm not really feeling this one. While you might have a valid critique on the mindset of Greek men in classical antiquity, I don't think it all holds the same meaning today.
I always saw temptresses as a powerful woman, evil or not. Being capable of seducing almost anyone and use it to their advantage is a powerful ability. As I said before, a smart woman is a deadly woman. A smart woman would know that sexualization can be a great asset when dealing with opponents, maybe not in the combat way but in other ways. If someone can use their sexuality to their advantage well fucking done. That isn't something that is demonized, just the next challenge that is overcomed as the player, and OF COURSE a male character would use terms like bitch for a female opponent they just beat. Like calling a guy a pussy.
I kinda skimmed through it, because I don't care enough to read it fully. So if I am wrong gladly correct me.I always saw temptresses as a powerful woman, evil or not. Being capable of seducing almost anyone and use it to their advantage is a powerful ability. As I said before, a smart woman is a deadly woman. A smart woman would know that sexualization can be a great asset when dealing with opponents, maybe not in the combat way but in other ways. If someone can use their sexuality to their advantage well fucking done. That isn't something that is demonized, just the next challenge that is overcomed as the player, and OF COURSE a male character would use terms like bitch for a female opponent they just beat. Like calling a guy a pussy. For the grotesque part, all I can really say is that male counterparts exist, just instead of sexual they are meant to completely gross you out and scare you. With obese men in hospital gowns coming to kill you, and I highly doubt you can creep out people with a guy in a thong and bowling balls for arms.
mmmm the locust queen
I love how SecondClass assumed I meant women NEEDED to be sexual to be powerful. A smart woman is a powerful woman, and yes a smart woman would know that sexualization is a great asset. However there are many powerful women without sexualization as an asset. The new Lara Croft, Faith, femshep(she's wearing armor all the time COME ON), female protagonists in Assassin's Creed...somehow, all of these characters aren't really sexualized. Sure, they have good bodies and definitely are ideal, but they are powerful without shaking their ass in everyone's face. Instead they are commanding, agile, combat ready and smart. So no, you don't need sexualization to be powerful.
And pretty much any time there's a powerful female antagonist in fiction, she's pretty and flirty.
You act like it's a bad thing that women are pretty.And it doesn't really lower how seriously women in general are. If anything, it takes them more seriously, since you always have to be on your toes.
QuoteBut if players are swayed by Morinth’s promises and choose to be with her, Shepard dies, just like all of Morinth’s other lovers.Pretty sure she ends up killing Samara and joining your team disguised as Samara, but ok.
But if players are swayed by Morinth’s promises and choose to be with her, Shepard dies, just like all of Morinth’s other lovers.
Quote from: Pippen on September 28, 2016, 06:45:06 PMYou act like it's a bad thing that women are pretty.And it doesn't really lower how seriously women in general are. If anything, it takes them more seriously, since you always have to be on your toes.It's not a bad thing if they're pretty - it's a bad thing if that's their one defining factor. And women in fiction, antagonists or not, are usually presented that way.That presentation doesn't make people take them more seriously, it does the opposite.
Quote from: SecondClass on September 28, 2016, 06:48:18 PMQuote from: Pippen on September 28, 2016, 06:45:06 PMYou act like it's a bad thing that women are pretty.And it doesn't really lower how seriously women in general are. If anything, it takes them more seriously, since you always have to be on your toes.It's not a bad thing if they're pretty - it's a bad thing if that's their one defining factor. And women in fiction, antagonists or not, are usually presented that way.That presentation doesn't make people take them more seriously, it does the opposite.
Your logic makes no sense.
Your logic makes no sense.I actually worry that you have some sort of horrible mental illness sometimes.
>Ignores this guy , a male enemy using his male traits (increased muscle mass) to beat the living fuck outta you. >I've not yet mentioned CyberDemons (basically abs with horns) or the Mancubus, a portrayal of a male demonic enemy so fat it's stomach festers and fires gaseous fireballs made from it's decaying flesh at you.
Now of course, there’s no shortage of male characters in games who are also meant to elicit disgust, but the unsettling nature of those characters is not explicitly tied to their gender. They don’t function to suggest that maleness itself is inherently disgusting or dangerous. With these female characters, on the other hand, their grotesque nature is inextricably tied to their gender. Elements that are often presented as titillating in other contexts are twisted and made repugnant, so that their femaleness itself is what serves to make them disgusting.
Better examples would involve enemies with giant erect penises dangling grotesquely on their bodies.
...hardly equivalent to giant demon portal tits.
CyberDemons do not make a grotesque out of the male body.
Quote from: Pippen on September 28, 2016, 07:12:56 PMYour logic makes no sense.I actually worry that you have some sort of horrible mental illness sometimes.Maybe actually explain why you disagree? Men in fiction, even the attractive ones, aren't defined by their looks. They're defined by their personal traits, whether that's resourcefulness, ingenuity, charisma, etc. That's not the same for women.