Anita Sarkeesian - All the Slender Ladies: Body Diversity in Video Games

 
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This was actually posted a few weeks ago. I never bothered sharing it, though, because on this rare occasion, I found myself almost completely disagreeing with her. For once, I didn't think it was a very good video.

But then I thought, why should that stop me from posting it here?
Last Edit: September 22, 2016, 01:14:57 PM by Verbatim


 
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I'm honestly too tired to say too much but most of the games she talks about have all the characters needing the ability to fight and be strong.
Males generally are more physical in nature, so different body types can still put up a good fight.
While, as bad as it sounds, I doubt a 250lb woman could go to the same standards.

Mei? Yeah possibly. Zarya? Dear god I don't wanna fight her, she'll rip me in half.

It's not sexist it's a fact. Generally most men of many body types are capable of physical combat to some degree while women tend to not have that ability, but instead are better intellectually and emotionally. A smart woman in good shape? Deadly.


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Cant watch the video right now, buut:

I mean those female characters that she picked out all have the same-ish body types, but a lot of the male ones are same-ish, too.

Genji, Hanzo, McCree, Reaper, and Soldier are pretty much the same height, muscularity, etc. and she's arguing as if  Zarya, Mei and Ana don't exist.

In recognizing a pattern, she's definitely not wrong, but she's arguing that there's ZERO diversity (when she says something like "all of their female characters") which isn't true.  She's picking a handful of the male cast (either gigantuan Reinheart, or stumpy Torbjoen) to point out diversity among men, and ignoring the (albeit smaller) handful of diverse women (the tall and muscular woman, the short and chubby woman, and the old lady).
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Genji, Hanzo, McCree, Reaper, and Soldier are pretty much the same height, muscularity, etc. and she's arguing as if  Zarya, Mei and Ana don't exist.

In recognizing a pattern, she's definitely not wrong, but she's arguing that there's ZERO diversity

Try reading the last paragraph.

OT: I can somewhat understand why women are represented in a more narrow range of ages and body types; women lose physicality more rapidly as they age than men do, though I couldn't speak for whether that's intended by developers' design. That said, the "slenderness" she kept bringing up is moot -- Hanzo, Genji, McCree, Soldier, Reaper, Junkrat, and Lucio all basically have the same body type, varying somewhat in the shape of clothes and height, and even including Winston as a male character is silly since he isn't a human...unless we're also supposed to be concerned with toxic gorilla masculinity.
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I love you, son.
im glad she mentioned kreia, but i disagree with the overall message


fallout 4 lets you play as a fat woman though


 
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This video made me realize one thing--there's not a single character in Overwatch whose design I like. Not even a little.


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Who the fuck wants to play as some fat bitch?
That's pretty much my feelings on the matter.

It's not that I'm opposed to playing as x body type, though. I just like playing as cool characters. I couldn't give a fuck less about a character's fitness, musculature, or physique. It just so happens that the easiest (and perhaps best) way to make a cool character is to design them as though they don't have a three-course meal every day.

Women should be less sexualized for sure, but I don't think they should be made hamjupiters for the sake of having hamjupiters. That doesn't scream "body diversity" as much as it screams things like "tokenism" and "pandering."
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just want to chime in on the fat character thing with something

the reason you see fat men like gragas as characters more than fat women is because fat men are generally seen as something funny to be laughed at and portraying a fat woman is generally seen as mean spirited on the part of the author/developer/whatever

until this changes you're going to be seeing a lot more fat men in vidya than you are fat women


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1st page of a "quality" thread.


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1st page of a "quality" thread.

And what quality threads do you contribute that are oh so above this one? Did you even read the post?


 
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1st page of a "quality" thread.
What?
he's under the impression that this thread is going to spiral out of control, even though my last three or four anita threads were relatively calm and short-lived


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i always found your bright red style to be a bit of an eyesore, just saying


 
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This video made me realize one thing--there's not a single character in Overwatch whose design I like. Not even a little.
um reinhart and mcree are best girls


 
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Goodness gracious, great balls of lightning!
This video made me realize one thing--there's not a single character in Overwatch whose design I like. Not even a little.
That's funny, I figured you'd like Reaper since his entire attitude was based off of yours


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Genji, Hanzo, McCree, Reaper, and Soldier are pretty much the same height, muscularity, etc. and she's arguing as if  Zarya, Mei and Ana don't exist.

In recognizing a pattern, she's definitely not wrong, but she's arguing that there's ZERO diversity

Try reading the last paragraph..

Ah. Ran out of time and missed that part.
I still think it's ridiculous to open up with "look at what this game does wrong. There's ZERO inclusivity."  And then end off with "weeellll okay, there's SOME, but it could be better".  Not a good way to structure an argument.


 
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This video made me realize one thing--there's not a single character in Overwatch whose design I like. Not even a little.
um reinhart and mcree are best girls
they're so generic, especially mcree


 
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This video made me realize one thing--there's not a single character in Overwatch whose design I like. Not even a little.
That's funny, I figured you'd like Reaper since his entire attitude was based off of yours
reaper and genji are the coolest ones, but they're cool in the most stereotypical possible ways

inb4"butthey'reSUPPOSEDtobegeneric"


 
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This video made me realize one thing--there's not a single character in Overwatch whose design I like. Not even a little.
Winston is sad. I personally like a few of them.
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just want to chime in on the fat character thing with something

the reason you see fat men like gragas as characters more than fat women is because fat men are generally seen as something funny to be laughed at and portraying a fat woman is generally seen as mean spirited on the part of the author/developer/whatever

until this changes you're going to be seeing a lot more fat men in vidya than you are fat women
That's a very good point