Anita Sarkeesian - All the Slender Ladies: Body Diversity in Video Games

 
 
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I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
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If I made a game the protagonist would be a NEET that plays video games all day and spams memes.
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I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
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Goodness gracious, great balls of lightning!
WE NEED MORE OF THIS BODY TYPE
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AND PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST, NO MORE OF THIS
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I kind of agree to some extent, in that in a lot of games the female characters just look like sexy cosplay costumes and the male characters just look normal.
In all fairness, calling them "normal" is stretching it. It's definitely true that your average woman isn't always slender with big boobs and perfect hair like they usually are in video games, but I think it's hard to deny that your typical male protagonist isn't that representative for your average guy either. They're almost always tall, large, scruffy, brawny, very muscular and with perfect facial features, which your average man definitely is not. The video raises a decent point about diversity, but I think that your stereotypical male protagonist is just as far removed from your average guy as is the case with the female counterpart.
Yeah I guess my issue is more on the costume design side


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Are we just casually ignoring two thick as fuck female characters in OW?


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Are we just casually ignoring two thick as fuck female characters in OW?
The article was written up when Overwatch was announced, it didn't have Mei or Zarya then.

And Mei isn't fat, she wears a thick parka because the Overwatch facility she was stationed at was in Antarctica and because she uses an ice gun. Zarya isn't thicc, she's сильный.


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Are we just casually ignoring two thick as fuck female characters in OW?
The article was written up when Overwatch was announced, it didn't have Mei or Zarya then.

And Mei isn't fat, she wears a thick parka because the Overwatch facility she was stationed at was in Antarctica and because she uses an ice gun. Zarya isn't thicc, she's сильный.
do we have official images of what she looks like without the parka

just looking at her thighs she doesnt look fat but there's no way she's as slim & fit as like, widowmaker


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Are we just casually ignoring two thick as fuck female characters in OW?
The article was written up when Overwatch was announced, it didn't have Mei or Zarya then.

And Mei isn't fat, she wears a thick parka because the Overwatch facility she was stationed at was in Antarctica and because she uses an ice gun. Zarya isn't thicc, she's сильный.
do we have official images of what she looks like without the parka

just looking at her thighs she doesnt look fat but there's no way she's as slim & fit as like, widowmaker


Early concept art, yes but:



The summer games promotional material shows her with roughly the same figure.


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Oh shit, I played Borderlands 2 for the first time recently and that fat bitch made me feel like gagging


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Now he's just gay
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Oh shit, I played Borderlands 2 for the first time recently and that fat bitch made me feel like gagging
that's pretty weak bro


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Oh shit, I played Borderlands 2 for the first time recently and that fat bitch made me feel like gagging
that's pretty weak bro

Weak like the stretched skin of her saggy tits


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Ember used to be cool and funny

Now he's just gay
WE NEED MORE OF THIS BODY TYPE
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AND PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST, NO MORE OF THIS
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Oh shit, I played Borderlands 2 for the first time recently and that fat bitch made me feel like gagging
that's pretty weak bro

Weak like the stretched skin of her saggy tits
you're utilizing more visual information than the game actually provides, so it seems your almost-gagging is self-caused
Last Edit: September 26, 2016, 07:42:56 PM by Almazbek Atambayev


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WE NEED MORE OF THIS BODY TYPE
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Oh shit, I played Borderlands 2 for the first time recently and that fat bitch made me feel like gagging
that's pretty weak bro

Weak like the stretched skin of her saggy tits
you're utilizing more visual information than the game actually provides, so it seems your almost-gagging is self-caused

it's a thing called imagination, and the non-existent visual info is implied.

or I'm bulimic


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Oh shit, I played Borderlands 2 for the first time recently and that fat bitch made me feel like gagging
that's pretty weak bro

Weak like the stretched skin of her saggy tits
you're utilizing more visual information than the game actually provides, so it seems your almost-gagging is self-caused

it's a thing called imagination, and the non-existent visual info is implied.

or I'm bulimic
just marry casper already


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WE NEED MORE OF THIS BODY TYPE
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Oh shit, I played Borderlands 2 for the first time recently and that fat bitch made me feel like gagging
that's pretty weak bro

Weak like the stretched skin of her saggy tits
you're utilizing more visual information than the game actually provides, so it seems your almost-gagging is self-caused

it's a thing called imagination, and the non-existent visual info is implied.

or I'm bulimic
just marry casper already

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i watched the video

what exactly do you disagree with verb


 
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i watched the video

what exactly do you disagree with verb
I summarized my thoughts in this post.

Characters can't just be overweight for the sake of being overweight--and that really goes for any body type. Ryu from Street Fighter is super buff--not just because it makes him a desirable player avatar, but because he literally fights for a living. He aims to be the strongest fighter in the world, so his physique should reflect not only his strength, but his work ethic. The same general principle applies to almost all other Street Fighter characters.

It's hard to justify having fat characters in a game like that. It's not impossible, but it's difficult. Bob from Tekken is the only character I can think of who is overweight, but his size isn't really played for laughs--he's proud of obesity. But still, that's more an example of a "fat character" instead of "character who also happens to be fat," if you know what I mean. The latter is what Anita wants, I think.

That said, you already know I'm all about decreasing the number of hyper-sexualized female characters in video games, because I find them just as obnoxious as having a bunch of overweight characters would. Not everyone's attractive, yet the designers purposely sexualize their female characters because they know that it'll help sell the game to horny, pubescent teenagers, lonely adult men, etc. It's unnecessary pandering.

I'm really just against all pandering--to any crowd ever. Make the game you want to make, and then I'll judge it from there. Don't make the game that you think other people will necessarily enjoy--or you, for that matter. Imagine if people wrote books like they design video games. It would be retarded.

Obviously, gaming is an industry, so it might be silly to even talk about making games that don't serve a market, but that's just the inherent issue, isn't it? But I don't wanna ramble too hard.
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I'm really just against all pandering--to any crowd ever. Make the game you want to make, and then I'll judge it from there. Don't make the game that you think other people will necessarily enjoy--or you, for that matter. Imagine if people wrote books like they design video games. It would be retarded.

I agree with pretty much most of that, but this one is a bit difficult to understand

How do you make a game "you" want to make without somewhat choosing what you want, whether it's the art style or the gameplay

what if the pandering was what you, or heck most of the development team liked as well