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This threads still about not Pre-ordering right?

...what else would it be about? It still looks like we're talking about pre-ordering.
joke.

youre a tad bit late bud

I don't see how that could be taken as a joke, but alright.

It's only been a few hours since you posted it, not sure how I'm "late".
God you're a pent up user.


 
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This threads still about not Pre-ordering right?

...what else would it be about? It still looks like we're talking about pre-ordering.
joke.

youre a tad bit late bud

I don't see how that could be taken as a joke, but alright.

It's only been a few hours since you posted it, not sure how I'm "late".
God you're a pent up user.

Your post just made no sense, all I did was ask for confirmation.

I'm good at recognising jokes when they are, in fact, jokes.


 
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This threads still about not Pre-ordering right?

...what else would it be about? It still looks like we're talking about pre-ordering.
joke.

youre a tad bit late bud

I don't see how that could be taken as a joke, but alright.

It's only been a few hours since you posted it, not sure how I'm "late".
God you're a pent up user.

Your post just made no sense, all I did was ask for confirmation.

I'm good at recognising jokes when they are, in fact, jokes.

I recognized it as a joke and I haven't even been paying attention to the thread.


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The last game I pre-ordered was Skyrim.

10/10, would pre-order again.
The massive textured map made it worth it.


 
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This threads still about not Pre-ordering right?

...what else would it be about? It still looks like we're talking about pre-ordering.
joke.

youre a tad bit late bud

I don't see how that could be taken as a joke, but alright.

It's only been a few hours since you posted it, not sure how I'm "late".
God you're a pent up user.

Your post just made no sense, all I did was ask for confirmation.

I'm good at recognising jokes when they are, in fact, jokes.
Alright buddy, alright.

The joke was towards Septy, who I infact talk to in skype and he was telling us about you lot getting all pent up because you actually like to pre order, the fact that you all turned this thread into a argument about Pre ordering and not pre ordering was the joke.

It seems you all got a little mad in here, that's not my problem. You want to pre-order, he's not stopping you, its just his opinion that its not a good idea.


 
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This threads still about not Pre-ordering right?

...what else would it be about? It still looks like we're talking about pre-ordering.
joke.

youre a tad bit late bud

I don't see how that could be taken as a joke, but alright.

It's only been a few hours since you posted it, not sure how I'm "late".
God you're a pent up user.

Your post just made no sense, all I did was ask for confirmation.

I'm good at recognising jokes when they are, in fact, jokes.

I recognized it as a joke and I haven't even been paying attention to the thread.

How is it a joke? It wasn't clever or humorous (which I know is subjective, but still).

"Is this thread even still about pre-ordering?"
This implies it has changed in it's nature about pre-ordering, which it hasn't in the slightest.
If he had said something like "you'd think after 4 pages of dialogue the topic of discussion would change." That would've been somewhat clever, and I would consider it a "joke".

I meant no offense to the OP but IMO it wasn't a joke.


 
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This threads still about not Pre-ordering right?

...what else would it be about? It still looks like we're talking about pre-ordering.
joke.

youre a tad bit late bud

I don't see how that could be taken as a joke, but alright.

It's only been a few hours since you posted it, not sure how I'm "late".
God you're a pent up user.

Your post just made no sense, all I did was ask for confirmation.

I'm good at recognising jokes when they are, in fact, jokes.

I recognized it as a joke and I haven't even been paying attention to the thread.

How is it a joke? It wasn't clever or humorous (which I know is subjective, but still).

"Is this thread even still about pre-ordering?"
This implies it has changed in it's nature about pre-ordering, which it hasn't in the slightest.
If he had said something like "you'd think after 4 pages of dialogue the topic of discussion would change." That would've been somewhat clever, and I would consider it a "joke".

I meant no offense to the OP but IMO it wasn't a joke.

This threads still about not Pre-ordering right?

This is the actual quote. It's pretty obvious that he's making a humorous quip about the minor derailment this thread suffered. It isn't his fault you misinterpreted it.


 
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Alright buddy, alright.

The joke was towards Septy, who I infact talk to in skype and he was telling us about you lot getting all pent up because you actually like to pre order, the fact that you all turned this thread into a argument about Pre ordering and not pre ordering was the joke.
The thread is about pre-ordering, so how is pointing out the people arguing about the topic at hand a joke? Forums by nature are used as a means to discuss. That would be akin to going to a baseball game and half way in saying to your friend,


"Lol, are people still competing at baseball?"

"Haha. Good one, dude."


Do you see my point?

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It seems you all got a little mad in here, that's not my problem. You want to pre-order, he's not stopping you, its just his opinion that its not a good idea.

I'm not mad in the slightest. I get frustrated with Lemon because he's Lemon but that has nothing to do with the OP or the topic of discussion. I actually made a few jokes myself when talking directly to Septy.

I should reiterate that I meant no offense to you or the OP but I was only, again, asking for confirmation.


 
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This threads still about not Pre-ordering right?

...what else would it be about? It still looks like we're talking about pre-ordering.
joke.

youre a tad bit late bud

I don't see how that could be taken as a joke, but alright.

It's only been a few hours since you posted it, not sure how I'm "late".
God you're a pent up user.

Your post just made no sense, all I did was ask for confirmation.

I'm good at recognising jokes when they are, in fact, jokes.

I recognized it as a joke and I haven't even been paying attention to the thread.

How is it a joke? It wasn't clever or humorous (which I know is subjective, but still).

"Is this thread even still about pre-ordering?"
This implies it has changed in it's nature about pre-ordering, which it hasn't in the slightest.
If he had said something like "you'd think after 4 pages of dialogue the topic of discussion would change." That would've been somewhat clever, and I would consider it a "joke".

I meant no offense to the OP but IMO it wasn't a joke.

This threads still about not Pre-ordering right?

This is the actual quote. It's pretty obvious that he's making a humorous quip about the minor derailment this thread suffered. It isn't his fault you misinterpreted it.

The thread hasn't derailed in the slightest, which is why I argue it wasn't a joke. Sure, it was an attempt but that doesn't make it a successful one.


 
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This threads still about not Pre-ordering right?

...what else would it be about? It still looks like we're talking about pre-ordering.
joke.

youre a tad bit late bud

I don't see how that could be taken as a joke, but alright.

It's only been a few hours since you posted it, not sure how I'm "late".
God you're a pent up user.

Your post just made no sense, all I did was ask for confirmation.

I'm good at recognising jokes when they are, in fact, jokes.

I recognized it as a joke and I haven't even been paying attention to the thread.

How is it a joke? It wasn't clever or humorous (which I know is subjective, but still).

"Is this thread even still about pre-ordering?"
This implies it has changed in it's nature about pre-ordering, which it hasn't in the slightest.
If he had said something like "you'd think after 4 pages of dialogue the topic of discussion would change." That would've been somewhat clever, and I would consider it a "joke".

I meant no offense to the OP but IMO it wasn't a joke.

This threads still about not Pre-ordering right?

This is the actual quote. It's pretty obvious that he's making a humorous quip about the minor derailment this thread suffered. It isn't his fault you misinterpreted it.

The thread hasn't derailed in the slightest, which is why I argue it wasn't a joke. Sure, it was an attempt but that doesn't make it a successful one.

It went from not pre-ordering to issue of demos and betas not reflecting the final product for a bit.


 
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Alright buddy, alright.

The joke was towards Septy, who I infact talk to in skype and he was telling us about you lot getting all pent up because you actually like to pre order, the fact that you all turned this thread into a argument about Pre ordering and not pre ordering was the joke.
The thread is about pre-ordering, so how is pointing out the people arguing about the topic at hand a joke? Forums by nature are used as a means to discuss. That would be akin to going to a baseball game and half way in saying to your friend,


"Lol, are people still competing at baseball?"

"Haha. Good one, dude."


Do you see my point?

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It seems you all got a little mad in here, that's not my problem. You want to pre-order, he's not stopping you, its just his opinion that its not a good idea.

I'm not mad in the slightest. I get frustrated with Lemon because he's Lemon but that has nothing to do with the OP or the topic of discussion. I actually made a few jokes myself when talking directly to Septy.

I should reiterate that I meant no offense to you or the OP but I was only, again, asking for confirmation.
The fact you're carrying this bullshit on contradicts you're not mad.

Those examples you gave me relate to my 'joke' in no way, and when i said "It was towards Septy" It was towards him, so you wouldn't get it. The simple fact that he got it, means I achieved my joke. The thread did derail to demos as well. So don't start with that.

Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it isn't. If that's the case, be sure to do that every time I make a joke please.

I know you mean no offence, that would be pathetic.
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What is even going on here anymore?


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This threads still about not Pre-ordering right?

...what else would it be about? It still looks like we're talking about pre-ordering.
joke.

youre a tad bit late bud

I don't see how that could be taken as a joke, but alright.

It's only been a few hours since you posted it, not sure how I'm "late".
God you're a pent up user.

Your post just made no sense, all I did was ask for confirmation.

I'm good at recognising jokes when they are, in fact, jokes.

I recognized it as a joke and I haven't even been paying attention to the thread.

How is it a joke? It wasn't clever or humorous (which I know is subjective, but still).

"Is this thread even still about pre-ordering?"
This implies it has changed in it's nature about pre-ordering, which it hasn't in the slightest.
If he had said something like "you'd think after 4 pages of dialogue the topic of discussion would change." That would've been somewhat clever, and I would consider it a "joke".

I meant no offense to the OP but IMO it wasn't a joke.

This threads still about not Pre-ordering right?

This is the actual quote. It's pretty obvious that he's making a humorous quip about the minor derailment this thread suffered. It isn't his fault you misinterpreted it.

The thread hasn't derailed in the slightest, which is why I argue it wasn't a joke. Sure, it was an attempt but that doesn't make it a successful one.

It went from not pre-ordering to issue of demos and betas not reflecting the final product for a bit.

From what I've seen, it seemed to have come back to the pre-ordering issue by the time that True made his post, which again makes it a non-joke.

But I digress, not going to argue anymore. Cheers.


 
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Man, y'all some dense ass niggas.


 
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Alright buddy, alright.

The joke was towards Septy, who I infact talk to in skype and he was telling us about you lot getting all pent up because you actually like to pre order, the fact that you all turned this thread into a argument about Pre ordering and not pre ordering was the joke.
The thread is about pre-ordering, so how is pointing out the people arguing about the topic at hand a joke? Forums by nature are used as a means to discuss. That would be akin to going to a baseball game and half way in saying to your friend,


"Lol, are people still competing at baseball?"

"Haha. Good one, dude."


Do you see my point?

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It seems you all got a little mad in here, that's not my problem. You want to pre-order, he's not stopping you, its just his opinion that its not a good idea.

I'm not mad in the slightest. I get frustrated with Lemon because he's Lemon but that has nothing to do with the OP or the topic of discussion. I actually made a few jokes myself when talking directly to Septy.

I should reiterate that I meant no offense to you or the OP but I was only, again, asking for confirmation.
The fact you're carrying this bullshit on contradicts you're not mad.

I'm done with the argument, but I stand by what I said. Again, I'm not mad in the slightest. In fact I don't have the energy to continue to debate something so petty.


 
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Alright buddy, alright.

The joke was towards Septy, who I infact talk to in skype and he was telling us about you lot getting all pent up because you actually like to pre order, the fact that you all turned this thread into a argument about Pre ordering and not pre ordering was the joke.
The thread is about pre-ordering, so how is pointing out the people arguing about the topic at hand a joke? Forums by nature are used as a means to discuss. That would be akin to going to a baseball game and half way in saying to your friend,


"Lol, are people still competing at baseball?"

"Haha. Good one, dude."


Do you see my point?

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It seems you all got a little mad in here, that's not my problem. You want to pre-order, he's not stopping you, its just his opinion that its not a good idea.

I'm not mad in the slightest. I get frustrated with Lemon because he's Lemon but that has nothing to do with the OP or the topic of discussion. I actually made a few jokes myself when talking directly to Septy.

I should reiterate that I meant no offense to you or the OP but I was only, again, asking for confirmation.
The fact you're carrying this bullshit on contradicts you're not mad.

I'm done with the argument, but I stand by what I said. Again, I'm not mad in the slightest. In fact I don't have the energy to continue to debate something so petty.
Sure thing, It was getting pretty boring trying to talk to a wall.


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Alright buddy, alright.

The joke was towards Septy, who I infact talk to in skype and he was telling us about you lot getting all pent up because you actually like to pre order, the fact that you all turned this thread into a argument about Pre ordering and not pre ordering was the joke.
The thread is about pre-ordering, so how is pointing out the people arguing about the topic at hand a joke? Forums by nature are used as a means to discuss. That would be akin to going to a baseball game and half way in saying to your friend,


"Lol, are people still competing at baseball?"

"Haha. Good one, dude."


Do you see my point?

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It seems you all got a little mad in here, that's not my problem. You want to pre-order, he's not stopping you, its just his opinion that its not a good idea.

I'm not mad in the slightest. I get frustrated with Lemon because he's Lemon but that has nothing to do with the OP or the topic of discussion. I actually made a few jokes myself when talking directly to Septy.

I should reiterate that I meant no offense to you or the OP but I was only, again, asking for confirmation.
The fact you're carrying this bullshit on contradicts you're not mad.

I'm done with the argument, but I stand by what I said. Again, I'm not mad in the slightest. In fact I don't have the energy to continue to debate something so petty.
Sure thing, It was getting pretty boring trying to talk to a wall.


 
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Alright buddy, alright.

The joke was towards Septy, who I infact talk to in skype and he was telling us about you lot getting all pent up because you actually like to pre order, the fact that you all turned this thread into a argument about Pre ordering and not pre ordering was the joke.
The thread is about pre-ordering, so how is pointing out the people arguing about the topic at hand a joke? Forums by nature are used as a means to discuss. That would be akin to going to a baseball game and half way in saying to your friend,


"Lol, are people still competing at baseball?"

"Haha. Good one, dude."


Do you see my point?

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It seems you all got a little mad in here, that's not my problem. You want to pre-order, he's not stopping you, its just his opinion that its not a good idea.

I'm not mad in the slightest. I get frustrated with Lemon because he's Lemon but that has nothing to do with the OP or the topic of discussion. I actually made a few jokes myself when talking directly to Septy.

I should reiterate that I meant no offense to you or the OP but I was only, again, asking for confirmation.
The fact you're carrying this bullshit on contradicts you're not mad.

I'm done with the argument, but I stand by what I said. Again, I'm not mad in the slightest. In fact I don't have the energy to continue to debate something so petty.
Sure thing, It was getting pretty boring trying to talk to a wall.




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Alright buddy, alright.

The joke was towards Septy, who I infact talk to in skype and he was telling us about you lot getting all pent up because you actually like to pre order, the fact that you all turned this thread into a argument about Pre ordering and not pre ordering was the joke.
The thread is about pre-ordering, so how is pointing out the people arguing about the topic at hand a joke? Forums by nature are used as a means to discuss. That would be akin to going to a baseball game and half way in saying to your friend,


"Lol, are people still competing at baseball?"

"Haha. Good one, dude."


Do you see my point?

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It seems you all got a little mad in here, that's not my problem. You want to pre-order, he's not stopping you, its just his opinion that its not a good idea.

I'm not mad in the slightest. I get frustrated with Lemon because he's Lemon but that has nothing to do with the OP or the topic of discussion. I actually made a few jokes myself when talking directly to Septy.

I should reiterate that I meant no offense to you or the OP but I was only, again, asking for confirmation.
The fact you're carrying this bullshit on contradicts you're not mad.

I'm done with the argument, but I stand by what I said. Again, I'm not mad in the slightest. In fact I don't have the energy to continue to debate something so petty.
Sure thing, It was getting pretty boring trying to talk to a wall.



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Let this die.
We all know it deserves to.

Sorry OP.


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I let one gaming discussion thread go by and this is how you guys handle it. Lighten up everyone. This isn't srs business.

To get slightly more on topic  ;) Long post inbound.

Preorders are an objectively bad consumer practice. That's not debatable. By giving out your money before receiving a finished product you are telling the publisher that you will pay for their game regardless, and are only opening yourself up to a broken and/or bad product. You gain nothing worthwhile from this. There is no need to secure a game in 2015, and pre-load is not a good enough excuse. The industry would be a much better place, and we would have better/more reliable releases, if this was not a thing. Anyone arguing against that is holding an indefensible position.

If we have learned anything from Bungie, and its not clear that we have, its that reputation and history mean nothing when it comes to the quality of the next game. Destiny was hyped to the ends of the earth and it fell very very flat. Activision doesn't give a crap because it sold like hotcakes largely due to preorders. Which only promotes Destiny 2 being garbage because the customer has said they'll buy it.

Look at all of 2014 and you'll see plenty of shit games that were either broken or under-delivered. Already with The Order 1886 we've started off with it in 2015.

On the flip side of all this you have to recognize people are going to take part in these anti-consumer practices due to the hype culture within the gaming community. Shouting down people and insulting them every time they preorder something probably isn't going to help them understand the logic behind it. If people understand its a bad practice, but are still sticking to their few favorite developers, then I see no reason to dogpile them. You won't change their minds. Only getting burned will.

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Okay, well let's just have a discussion here. You seem more level-headed than Lemon and Septy.

By giving out your money before receiving a finished product you are telling the publisher that you will pay for their game regardless, and are only opening yourself up to a broken and/or bad product.

I understand what you're trying to say here, but you have to give your money to the developer before you play the game, so no matter how things turn out, you're always giving your money up first before seeing if the game is finished or not.

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You gain nothing worthwhile from this.
You get to play the game ASAP, which is worthwhile for people that are megafans, like myself for MGS.



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If we have learned anything from Bungie, and its not clear that we have, its that reputation and history mean nothing when it comes to the quality of the next game.

And Bungie will never get another dime from me. The only scenario I can see myself realistically playing their games is if I buy them used for less than half price. And absolutely no DLC, whatsoever. This is the same mindset I have with Ubisoft. For developers that consistently provide a complete game worth it's asking price, I'm willing to buy on release day (given that there isn't anything fishy going on, like review embargos or anything.) And keep in mind, I only plan on buying 2 games day-1 in 2015, and potentially the rest of the generation.

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Look at all of 2014 and you'll see plenty of shit games that were either broken or under-delivered.
In this case, RaD genuinely believes their product is worth $60. Everyone at their studio thinks peolpe are retarded and bullying them.


I'll post my stance once more, as I think it justifies my position a bit better:


First off:

There's no excuse for pre-ordering physical copies anymore. This isn't 2004, they won't run out.

But it's still okay to pre-order digitally. There are just certain conditions you should always be under (some of these are applicable to physical purchase as well, and will be marked with a "*"):

1: The pre-ordering will only be done within 3 days of the game's release.*
2: The pre-ordering is used only to pre-load.
3: There are multiple reviews already published, that indicate a successful, unbroken launch. If there are no reviews, this should be a sign that the publishers are aware of things wrong with their game and should be considered a red flag. DO NOT PRE-ORDER if this is the case.* (You shouldn't even be considering pre-ordering physical, under and circumstance).
4: The pre-ordering is a rare occurrence. Things that you're a big fan of, like Halo, The Witcher, Pokemon, etc. You shouldn't be even considering pre-ordering unless you are a mega-fan.*

This is, in my opinion, the best trade-off of getting your games ASAP and remaining an intelligent consumer in the industry.


 
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I like to add I'm not against pre-ordering, but I couldn't even get to say that before this thread turned into what it did.


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Okay, well let's just have a discussion here. You seem more level-headed than Lemon and Septy.
lemin and Spety are funposters. They only get flustered when people get flustered with them. :P

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I understand what you're trying to say here, but you have to give your money to the developer before you play the game, so no matter how things turn out, you're always giving your money up first before seeing if the game is finished or not.
Not true. When you wait for reviews / post launch you find out whether a game is a hot mess or not. (which you recognize further down in your post)

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You get to play the game ASAP, which is worthwhile for people that are megafans, like myself for MGS.
And its that mega-fandom / desire to get the game ASAP that the publisher is hoping on. Hence all the incentives to buy earlier by with holding content exclusive to those who do. That's objectively going against your own interests.

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And Bungie will never get another dime from me. The only scenario I can see myself realistically playing their games is if I buy them used for less than half price. And absolutely no DLC, whatsoever. This is the same mindset I have with Ubisoft. For developers that consistently provide a complete game worth it's asking price, I'm willing to buy on release day (given that there isn't anything fishy going on, like review embargos or anything.) .
Except now we have potential 2 bad games (more if they feel they are getting mixed signals) instead of 1 with immediate correction. Its far better to avoid getting burned in the first place rather than trying to correct it after teh fact. Waiting a few hours (or at worst a couple days) is not going to ruin your experience.

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And keep in mind, I only plan on buying 2 games day-1 in 2015, and potentially the rest of the generation
Personally don't have a issue with that. (Don't really care all that much if I'm honest.) Just taking issue with teh portrayal of preorders as anything close to consumer friendly.

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But it's still okay to pre-order digitally. There are just certain conditions you should always be under (some of these are applicable to physical purchase as well, and will be marked with a "*"):
If anything preordering digitally is worse since those are often nonrefundable and you're unable to sell it (outside of steam). At least with Amazon you would not be putting any money down, can cancel free of charge, still get free shipping, and can sell immediately if poop.

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1: The pre-ordering will only be done within 3 days of the game's release.*
2: The pre-ordering is used only to pre-load.
3: There are multiple reviews already published, that indicate a successful, unbroken launch. If there are no reviews, this should be a sign that the publishers are aware of things wrong with their game and should be considered a red flag. DO NOT PRE-ORDER if this is the case.* (You shouldn't even be considering pre-ordering physical, under and circumstance).
4: The pre-ordering is a rare occurrence. Things that you're a big fan of, like Halo, The Witcher, Pokemon, etc. You shouldn't be even considering pre-ordering unless you are a mega-fan.*

This isn't the worst way of doing it, but I still don't think you can argue its in your best interest. But I'm not going to try and convince you of that. Ultimately its the consumers choice.
Last Edit: February 21, 2015, 06:14:10 PM by Naoto


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