Quote from: Solonoid on August 28, 2016, 05:24:38 PMYou say that, but a major part of Pokemon is collecting your Pokemon and watching them smash into each other and shoot lightning, and when we know what we're capable of, there's no excuse for black and white flame sprites.Actually I always turn battle animations off. I don't really care for them.QuoteGraphics matter a lot, whether you appreciate them or not.They really, really don't. So long as they get the job done, that's all that matters.
You say that, but a major part of Pokemon is collecting your Pokemon and watching them smash into each other and shoot lightning, and when we know what we're capable of, there's no excuse for black and white flame sprites.
Graphics matter a lot, whether you appreciate them or not.
I'm beating a dead horse here, but whether or not you, personally, appreciate something does not change whether or not it is important.
Games have to be beautiful as well as functional, I've never bought into the stupid indie 8-bit fad, its almost never charming.
There is absolutely no excuse for delivering a lazy product when you can bring so much more to the table, Crystal would be a high school project today, albeit an A+ project.
Quote from: Solonoid on August 28, 2016, 05:32:25 PMI'm beating a dead horse here, but whether or not you, personally, appreciate something does not change whether or not it is important.Graphics don't matter because they don't alter functionality. Just because you appreciate it does not change whether or not it is important. QuoteGames have to be beautiful as well as functional, I've never bought into the stupid indie 8-bit fad, its almost never charming.8-bit games can be beautiful, but games do not need to be beautiful.I don't like the indie game fad either, but those games suck for reasons other than "they look old".QuoteThere is absolutely no excuse for delivering a lazy product when you can bring so much more to the table, Crystal would be a high school project today, albeit an A+ project.Because it doesn't look nice? That's idiotic.
Quote from: Prehistoric on August 28, 2016, 05:37:32 PMQuote from: Solonoid on August 28, 2016, 05:32:25 PMI'm beating a dead horse here, but whether or not you, personally, appreciate something does not change whether or not it is important.Graphics don't matter because they don't alter functionality. Just because you appreciate it does not change whether or not it is important. QuoteGames have to be beautiful as well as functional, I've never bought into the stupid indie 8-bit fad, its almost never charming.8-bit games can be beautiful, but games do not need to be beautiful.I don't like the indie game fad either, but those games suck for reasons other than "they look old".QuoteThere is absolutely no excuse for delivering a lazy product when you can bring so much more to the table, Crystal would be a high school project today, albeit an A+ project.Because it doesn't look nice? That's idiotic. Functionality is only half of a game. Not to mention that it isn't even the half that sells.Sorry, but games are not one sided. Like any art form they have many different facets, and none of them can be weak.Crystal is lacking in features compared to newer releases, and is graphically uncaptivating.That doesn't change the fact that its my favorite Pokemon game, but the reality is that if it released tomorrow it would be nothing more than a joke.
IMO.The reason why games like the original Pokemon and Fallout 1&2 are revered for being good is because.1: At the time of release, they were very good games, since they are kinda old.2: Nostalgia.You really can't blame a gem like Pokemon Red, Blue and Green for not being up to par with today's standards. As it was up to par with 1990's standards.However, a first installment released today would have to be up to today's standards. Which means it can be judged equally.Nostalgia wise, can't really blame anyone for looking through those goggles. Looking back at memories when the games were great at the time is always nice.
It's lacking compared to today's games yeah but still
Quote from: Big Boss on August 28, 2016, 05:50:22 PMIt's lacking compared to today's games yeah but stillhas as much to do as x/y, if not more
Quote from: Prehistoric on August 28, 2016, 05:57:28 PMQuote from: Big Boss on August 28, 2016, 05:50:22 PMIt's lacking compared to today's games yeah but stillhas as much to do as x/y, if not moreYeah like the Bug Catching and Battle Tower, IIRC
Quote from: Pippen on August 28, 2016, 05:46:03 PMIMO.The reason why games like the original Pokemon and Fallout 1&2 are revered for being good is because.1: At the time of release, they were very good games, since they are kinda old.2: Nostalgia.You really can't blame a gem like Pokemon Red, Blue and Green for not being up to par with today's standards. As it was up to par with 1990's standards.However, a first installment released today would have to be up to today's standards. Which means it can be judged equally.Nostalgia wise, can't really blame anyone for looking through those goggles. Looking back at memories when the games were great at the time is always nice.I agree with you on most of it but having nostalgia for something shouldn't stop people for looking at it with a critical eye. That's just blind fanboyism and I think having a better understand of something and not just being like 'hurr durr its good cause i liked it as a kid' will help you appreciate it more.
Functionality is only half of a game. Not to mention that it isn't even the half that sells.
Sorry, but games are not one sided. Like any art form they have many different facets, and none of them can be weak.
Crystal is lacking in features compared to newer releases.
surely HG/SS has more content
Quote from: Big Boss on August 28, 2016, 06:00:46 PMQuote from: Prehistoric on August 28, 2016, 05:57:28 PMQuote from: Big Boss on August 28, 2016, 05:50:22 PMIt's lacking compared to today's games yeah but stillhas as much to do as x/y, if not moreYeah like the Bug Catching and Battle Tower, IIRCsarcasm?silver/gold/crystal by default have more content than your average pokemon game, given that they have two full regions to explore.
You might not like the 3D models for the new Pokémon games, but they're generally considered to be "better" than the old sprites--and they're only going to get even better and more detailed as time goes on. Generation VI, to me, would easily be my favorite generation if I wasn't a stubborn nostalgic baby.
I can't speak for Jim but I personally can't stand isometric games.
This is just my own opinion but I think graphics do matter to me somewhat because if a game is butt ugly it's distracting.
Actually I always turn battle animations off. I don't really care for them.
Quote from: Prehistoric on August 28, 2016, 05:27:27 PMActually I always turn battle animations off. I don't really care for them.It's hard to play Pokémon wrong, but... jeez...
Slows down the game too much. I'm not one of those people who tries their darnedest to NOT get in Pokemon battles. I like to defeat every trainer possible in the entire game. So as a result I end up wasting a lot of time looking at the Thunderbolt animation for the millionth time.
In pokemon X/Y since it's a brand new pokemon game with everything new, I made it an effort to "catch em all" again. I have to say it's been a bit fun since in recent installments I only capture what I wanted to use.I'm seeing new pokemanz and thinking of new parties of pokemon I never use, so that's great. I'll actually be sitting at my PC and thinking of what I want to use. I've never done that. For example, Snorlax is in gen 1, but I never used him, so this brand new combo is honestly neat.But harking back to what I said about Gen 1, I got Squirtle since I started off with Fennekin (Braixen looks the best if you ask me), but because I ALWAYS used Squirtle in Blue/Red/FF/LG, I just... am not really feeling it. But he's my only decent water, so yeah. I've been hoping Magikarp somehow magically pops up so I can use him.
Depending on where you are in the game, buy the one in the Mt Moon pokemon center
Quote from: Luciana on August 28, 2016, 06:53:46 PMIn pokemon X/Y since it's a brand new pokemon game with everything new, I made it an effort to "catch em all" again. I have to say it's been a bit fun since in recent installments I only capture what I wanted to use.I'm seeing new pokemanz and thinking of new parties of pokemon I never use, so that's great. I'll actually be sitting at my PC and thinking of what I want to use. I've never done that. For example, Snorlax is in gen 1, but I never used him, so this brand new combo is honestly neat.But harking back to what I said about Gen 1, I got Squirtle since I started off with Fennekin (Braixen looks the best if you ask me), but because I ALWAYS used Squirtle in Blue/Red/FF/LG, I just... am not really feeling it. But he's my only decent water, so yeah. I've been hoping Magikarp somehow magically pops up so I can use him.Depending on where you are in the game, buy the one in the Mt Moon pokemon center
Quote from: Spartan on August 28, 2016, 06:57:37 PMDepending on where you are in the game, buy the one in the Mt Moon pokemon centerI said I was playing X/Y...
Quote from: Spartan on August 28, 2016, 06:57:37 PMQuote from: Luciana on August 28, 2016, 06:53:46 PMDepending on where you are in the game, buy the one in the Mt Moon pokemon center>actually doing thisjust get the old rod, it's free lol
Quote from: Luciana on August 28, 2016, 06:53:46 PMDepending on where you are in the game, buy the one in the Mt Moon pokemon center
Quote from: Verbatim on August 28, 2016, 09:06:38 AMYou might not like the 3D models for the new Pokémon games, but they're generally considered to be "better" than the old sprites--and they're only going to get even better and more detailed as time goes on. Generation VI, to me, would easily be my favorite generation if I wasn't a stubborn nostalgic baby.To be honest I'd like it more if it wasn't for the pandering to Gen 1 all the time.Oh select a new 3? Oh it's the original 3 startersTwo fossils? Oh gen 1 had that.And all the gen 1 pokemon just thrown in for whatever reason. Didn't like it much. I felt it wasn't being bold enough to go out on its own. Not because I hate gen 1 pokemon, because I don't. It just felt like it was doing nothing but throwing it in whenever they could.I'm still currently playing it, so this is more so fresh on my mind and my first impressions really. I'm still enjoying a lot of it, like the cool 3D when walking through some caves and stuff.
"A bad first installment should get a pass, because it's the first installment."
